Post cycle crash - with pics and bloodwork

[Pezzi]

View attachment 564431View attachment 564432View attachment 564433View attachment 564434View attachment 564435Hey guys, how you doing?

This is my first post here,
First let me introduce my self:

- Male
- 24 years old
- Started training when I was 15.
- Weight: 172 lbs
- 5.7"

Now, here is the thing.
I did my first steroids cycle back in november of the previous year, 2015, after almost 8 years of training. My weight back there was 172 lb and 14% bf.

The cycle consisted of:

- Start: 17 november 2016
- Last Test Cyp on 23 december 2016
- End (Anavar): 12 january
- Test Cyp 200mg once a week for 6 weekes
- Anavar 60mg/day for 8 weeks

For the first time in my life I was happy with my body and with the resulst of the cycle. The main goal of that cycle was reduce body fat and get lean, "shredded", because I never have been able to be lean no matter what efforts I did - diet plan and training plan. After cycle I was with 176 lb, however, I gained 5.5 lb of lean mass and lost 6.5 lb of fat. So, at the end of the cycle (12 january 2015) I was with almost the same weight however with a higher amount of lean mass and less fat, about 10%. You can check the pictures so you can judge for yourself. For me, it was perfect. I was feeling good, strength and happy with my body.

PCT 1:

- Start with one week after the last shot of Test Cyp.
- Two months of test gel 1mg once a day.
- Aspartic Acid 30 days.

The gains remained for about two months. During those two months I kept doing my diet almost 100% and training the same way. One day I noted that I was starting accumulating fat again and decided to do a low carb diet. This is the point where everything started do crash. My strenght decrease signifficantly, feeling depressed - very depressed, my wheight decrease to 174 lb again, and even I was in a low carb diet I looked even more fat and flatty.
So, I decided to make some bloodwork to see what was going on. As I suspeceted my test leves were very low. Take a look at a comparision of my bloodwork before, during, and after cycle - I will post only the hormonies levels because all of the rest was ok.

BEFORE CYCLE (NOTE nd/mL x 100 = ng/dL)

Free Test 84 pg/mL - Reference Value Male under 40 years old: 34 to 246
FSH 5.4 mIU/mL - Reference Value Male: 1.4 to 18.1
LH 9.1 mIU/mL - Reference Value Male: 1.5 to 9.3
SDHEA 315 mcg/dL - Reference Value Male 20-29 yo: 65 to 330
Test 4.65 ng/mL - Reference Value 2.4 to 9.5
DHT 611.4 pg/mL - Reference Value 250 to 990
eE2 (Estrad.) 30 pg/mL - Reference Value less than 40

DURING CYCLE (The same references values are accepted)

Free test 384 pg/mL
FSH <0.3 mIU/mL
LH <0.1 mIU/mL
SDHEA 199 mcg/dL
Test 10.15 ng/mL
DHT 1170 pg/mL
eE2 25 pg/mL

AFTER CYCLE AND PCT1

Free Test 31 pg/mL - VERY LOW!
FSH 1.5 mIU/mL
LH 2.6 mIU/mL
SDHEA 201 mcg/dL
Test 1.52 ng/mL - VERY LOW!
DHT 225.5 pg/mL
eE2 35 pg/mL

My doctor said that, probably, the test gel did not work as it should on me.
So, to overpass that hyponogadal state he gave me the following protocol:

PCT2

CLOMID 100/100/50/50
Noval 20/20/20/20
HCG 2500 iu once every three days

At the moment I am in the last week of PCT2, I am feeling a better about the depression, libido and erection. However, my strenght is still a shit, my work outs are not worth and my body looks even more fat and with less lean mass. It is important to state that I always kept my kcal at a range of 1800 kcal with 120 carbs per day and 210g protein. I know that it can be too low kcal and carbs for a PCT period, however, if I decide do eat more, I have plenty of sure that I will gain even more fat!

I don't know what to do!
I really want to start another cycle as soon as possible because I am not being able to overcome this crash period! Workouts and strength are at a shit level and the body gets worse day by day. However, I am afraid that after this next cycle the same will happen and I will look like a shit during the summer (december, january, february for Brazil).

What do you guys recomend me to do?
Remake my diet and work out routine?
I am going to do another bloodwork in two or three weeks, to see if everything is ok, specially hormone leves like test.

I just do not want to stay on a diet and a workout routine and do not see any gains! I am tired of doing all that stuff and have a not a better body that some guys that dont workout. Something is wrong with me.

 

[cbburrr]

You need to quit steroids for a long while, your next round would only be tougher to recover from.
And where did you get the idea that test gel was any kind of PCT? It only shut you down longer.
And HCG is also a before PCT drug, not during.

Dont do another cycle until you are ready to be on TRT for life, cause it's a real possibility.

 

[Pezzi]

You need to quit steroids for a long while, your next round would only be tougher to recover from.
And where did you get the idea that test gel was any kind of PCT? It only shut you down longer.
And HCG is also a before PCT drug, not during.

Dont do another cycle until you are ready to be on TRT for life, cause it's a real possibility.

My doctor said that the results from test gel were not expected. How I said, it appears that it didnt bring the expected results on me.
What do you mean by "to be on TRT for life, cause it's a real possibility"? Do you think that I may not be able to recover my HPTA? Probably my endo test is coming back and normalizing again. I will take one more bloodwork in a few weeks and will post the results here.

 

[Mprtz]

My doctor said that the results from test gel were not expected. How I said, it appears that it didnt bring the expected results on me.
What do you mean by "to be on TRT for life, cause it's a real possibility"? Do you think that I may not be able to recover my HPTA? Probably my endo test is coming back and normalizing again. I will take one more bloodwork in a few weeks and will post the results here.

Unfortunately, in this case "unexpected" simply means he didn't expect it. Because he doesn't know what he's doing.

Sadly, this is far more common that one would like to believe.

 

[Pezzi]

Unfortunately, in this case "unexpected" simply means he didn't expect it. Because he doesn't know what he's doing.

Sadly, this is far more common that one would like to believe.

Yeap! It appears that these endocrinology doctors are more a person to prescript you a TRT, however the junk part of the thing, the steroids cycles, regards to coaches and bro science.

 

[oldmusclemike]

You need to quit steroids for a long while, your next round would only be tougher to recover from.
And where did you get the idea that test gel was any kind of PCT? It only shut you down longer.
And HCG is also a before PCT drug, not during.

Dont do another cycle until you are ready to be on TRT for life, cause it's a real possibility.

This ^^^ is right on...You just added more testosterone when you were trying to recover. Your body as said was shut down before the Gel and can't come back with continuing exogenous test input.
You need to educate yourself so you don't just do what someone says to do.
So taking time off you can use that time reading up.

Unfortunately, in this case "unexpected" simply means he didn't expect it. Because he doesn't know what he's doing.

Sadly, this is far more common that one would like to believe.

This is true but as I told you, if you had done some studying even a little.... Any exogenous steroid even low dose will shut you down. Your body see some and thinks why make it when I got it. !
Ok good luck and read up

 

[Pezzi]

This ^^^ is right on...You just added more testosterone when you were trying to recover. Your body as said was shut down before the Gel and can't come back with continuing exogenous test input.
You need to educate yourself so you don't just do what someone says to do.
So taking time off you can use that time reading up.



This is true but as I told you, if you had done some studying even a little.... Any exogenous steroid even low dose will shut you down. Your body see some and thinks why make it when I got it. !
Ok good luck and read up

Thanks oldmusclemike. Learning from the mistakes that I made at this cycle I would be able to do another one correctly in the future. I guess that I am going to stay away from steroids for a few months and will start another one cycle on november, but at this time, with a good PTC protocol.

 

[Mprtz]

Yeap! It appears that these endocrinology doctors are more a person to prescript you a TRT, however the junk part of the thing, the steroids cycles, regards to coaches and bro science.

Well, beyond that: many physicians (even endocrinologists) don't know what they are doing regarding TRT either. Sad but true.

 

[francosiciliano]

From what I see you have not done a "good" pct yet. The most recent pct was sort of on the right track except you where using HCG and it should have been clomid and nolva only. I think you should just keep taking clomid 50 and nolva 20 for another 4-6wks then get bloods done. There is little harm in taking either of those for a long period of time or longer than you expected.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Thanks oldmusclemike. Learning from the mistakes that I made at this cycle I would be able to do another one correctly in the future. I guess that I am going to stay away from steroids for a few months and will start another one cycle on november, but at this time, with a good PTC protocol.

Great what you say. We all like it when we can teach a little and help. So do more reading, all the stickys stay with us all the way.

 

[halfwit]

Forget the PCT, I'm all about the cannibal porn being offered by the post bot above me! That sounds ammmaaaaaaaaaaziiiing!

Oh, and I agree with the SERMs at this point. If your doc gave you the test gel, all he did was prolong your cycle.