Post cycle therapy (pct) without Nolva & Clomid? For Test-E 10 week cycle

[CamelMate]

PCT without Nolva & Clomid? For Test-E 10 week cycle

What would be the best options for doing a PCT for a 10 week Test-E cycle without the use of Clomid or Nolva? From what I've found, HCG/HCGenerate, Unleashed/Post cycle etc combo would be the way to go. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) such as Aromasin/Arimidex would also be run on cycle.

My reason for not using Nolva & Clomid is because both can give permanent vision damage (plenty of threads out there about this) and from what I understand, Nolva creates more receptors for gyno. This is why I would prefer to avoid these at all costs. I've done a lot of research on PCT's but can't find conclusive answers.

So how would one go about doing a PCT without these compounds, while avoiding the risk of gyno during PCT from estrogen rebound? Run aromasin or Forma-Stanazol during the recovery? If anyone could post some complete PCTs (which are safe against gyno & provide efficient recovery), that would be appreciated.

 

[DipKing]

Use the nolva and clomid. You'll be okay.

 

[Austinite]

hCGenerate is herbs and amino acids. That will do nothing for recovery. Unleashed is the same.

There's no way around it, you need the 2 SERMs.

If you're concerned about recovery and do not want to use SERMs, I recommend that you do not cycle. The fears you're hearing of are potential, rare, and generally observed in folks who've suffered heart attacks in the past, similar to PDE5-inhibitor use where cranial nerve 2 is the issue and the messages between the brain and retina are impacted.

 

[CamelMate]

Yeah from what I've seen, those SERMs are a must.

What about the Nolva creating more oestrogen receptors? I remember reading it from a few places but can't find the info right now.

 

[Alpin]

If you want to enjoy masturbating and/or having a sex life again you need SERM's. Make more sense now?

 

[Austinite]

No... You have nothing to really worry about. It doesn't really sound like you understand how SERMs work. You may want to do less reading from forum members, and more research through studies. SERMs are used by urologists worldwide to treat hypogonadal men.

If we believed everything we read that is not backed up scientifically, we'd be in trouble. Ham and cheese would cause cancer...

 

[CamelMate]

Edit: Cheers for the info. Will do some more scientific research on them

 

[DipKing]

Don't worry. It's the standard at the moment. Good luck with your goals.

 

[Austinite]

Updated this thread to understand the benefit:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...lva-both-required-better-chance-recovery.html

 

[Jack Tors]

you should be more concerned what the AAS is going to do to you than SERMS lol

your body will eventually stabolize on its own homeostatis but probably not after losing all your gains.

i used HCGenerate thought it was absolute garbarge while the reviews were raving. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will only keep you in recovery mode longer.