Post Cycle Therapy Question

[lydrew]

I just came off a Test/Tren cycle. My last shot was last monday, 4 days ago. I have Nolvadex, Clomid, and Arimidex on hand... I'm already starting to break out. What would you recommend me doing? Should I start therapy now or wait 2 weeks from the last shot? Thanks guys

 

[JackassRR]

Not familiar with tren but I wouldn't start post cycle therapy (pct) for 2 weeks. I'm sure others will chime in.

 

[robbocopp]

I would love to hear someone's explanation as to why you are breaking out AFTER you finish cycle not DURING when test levels are highest !! Doesn't make a lot of sense to me but then I don't know Tren so...

You can "start" post cycle therapy (pct) now - but, with high test levels in your system your body won't start producing any time soon. You'll reduce the estrogen in your system (or active estrogen or it's effect depending on which of the above you'll take) but, I doubt you'll get your gonads going.

So, reducing your estrogen now might have no effect on your post cycle therapy (pct) other than slimming you down a bit.

 

[JMC]

I just came off a Test/Tren cycle. My last shot was last monday, 4 days ago. I have Nolvadex, Clomid, and Arimidex on hand... I'm already starting to break out. What would you recommend me doing? Should I start therapy now or wait 2 weeks from the last shot? Thanks guys

What kind of TEST and TREN????

No Nolvadex in this cycle..

Depending on the TEST you took depends on start of post cycle therapy (pct) for Clomid 50/50/50/50 min

You should have been on the Arimidex already, it might have helped with the breakouts....

 

[lydrew]

It's super test 400 that contains the following. I was only injecting 8cc a week to spread it out over 12 weeks and last monday was my last injection. Contains the following...
Testosterone cypionate 50MG
Testosterone enanthate 50MG
Testosterone phenypropionate 40MG
Testosterone propionate 30 MG
Testosterone decanoate 200MG
Testosterone isocaproat 30MG

Shoul I start my arimidex now or is it too late, when should I have started.

JMC your saying no Nolva just Clomid, start this 2 weeks after last injection?

 

[Biggin]

Injecting 8cc's a week??

 

[JMC]

It's super test 400 that contains the following. I was only injecting 8cc a week to spread it out over 12 weeks and last monday was my last injection. Contains the following...
Testosterone cypionate 50MG
Testosterone enanthate 50MG
Testosterone phenypropionate 40MG
Testosterone propionate 30 MG
Testosterone decanoate 200MG
Testosterone isocaproat 30MG

Shoul I start my arimidex now or is it too late, when should I have started.

JMC your saying no Nolva just Clomid, start this 2 weeks after last injection?

8cc WHOA!!!!!!

Yes, that looks like a Sustanon blend, what do you think Biggin????

I would go 3 weeks before post cycle therapy (pct) because of the Decanoate.

Yes Clomid only on that cycle!!!!

Let someone else chime in if you should start the Arimidex now..

 

[Biggin]

Yeah, it's definitely a Sust type blend!!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I would love to hear someone's explanation as to why you are breaking out AFTER you finish cycle not DURING when test levels are highest !!

Test alone is not responsible for the acne. it is from fluctuating hormones-my buddy gets it real bad-but after cycle-not during cycle.

 

[lydrew]

shoot, I meant .8cc

 

[JMC]

Test alone is not responsible for the acne. it is from fluctuating hormones-my buddy gets it real bad-but after cycle-not during cycle.

So Newb, what are you thinking, not taking the AL from the beginning or????

I had NO issues with acne BUT I used a AL from day 1 thur post cycle therapy (pct).

Didn't have enough to do 25mg in post cycle therapy (pct) only 12.5. Will next time foosure...

 

[Conciliator]

No Nolvadex in this cycle..

Nolva will be just fine. It has been shown to up-regulate the progesterone receptor in the endometrium of women, which is very sensitive to estrogen and a place where nolva has an estrogenic effect. However, last I checked, we don't have uteruses to worry bout. In breast tissue, tamoxifen has been shown to have inconsistent effects on PgR levels.

Second, even if nolva were to increase PgR levels in breast tissue, what would that matter during post cycle therapy (pct), a time when the progestins are no longer in your system?

To the OP: Take hCG (if you haven't already) for the next 2-3 weeks. (If you can't get any right now, get some to take during your cycles from now on. It's the most important thing you can do for recovery.) Then start a SERM like nolva or clomid to antagonize estrogen at the HPTA and help restore LH and test levels. Personally, I prefer nolva.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Nolva will be just fine. It has been shown to up-regulate the progesterone receptor in the endometrium of women, which is very sensitive to estrogen and a place where nolva has an estrogenic effect. However, last I checked, we don't have uteruses to worry bout. In breast tissue, tamoxifen has been shown to have inconsistent effects on PgR levels.

Second, even if nolva were to increase PgR levels in breast tissue, what would that matter during post cycle therapy (pct), a time when the progestins are no longer in your system?

To the OP: Take hCG (if you haven't already) for the next 2-3 weeks. (If you can't get any right now, get some to take during your cycles from now on. It's the most important thing you can do for recovery.) Then start a SERM like nolva or clomid to antagonize estrogen at the HPTA and help restore LH and test levels. Personally, I prefer nolva.

from the jack ass who said you cant get gyno during PCT cause your not taking steroids anymore......... your jibbirish is against everything anyone has ever told me-regardless of the studies that you can shove you know where. go away!!!!!!! its just not smart to risk it!!!!!!!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

So Newb, what are you thinking, not taking the AL from the beginning or????

I had NO issues with acne BUT I used a AL from day 1 thur PCT.

Didn't have enough to do 25mg in PCT only 12.5. Will next time foosure...

i truly believe in taking an AI-i had 0 issues and my buddy had quite a few.....with that being said I am not taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) along with the current cycle i started on monday-i just want to try without it-experimenting- and i want to know from personal experience if it makes a huge diff for me-i will keep you posted-there are so many mixed reviews of when to stop Aromatase inhibitor (AI). PP has a great read on it under their sustain alpha page-a lot of good info on that site-check it out. I have been going back and forth forever on what supps i will use during post cycle therapy (pct). I have decided to go with the pre max and recovery stack from PP- along with CLOMID.

 

[ripped86]

what does clomid 50/50/50/50 mean? 50mg for 4 weeks?

 

[bigospreys7]

it means take 50mg each day for four weeks

 

[Conciliator]

from the jack ass who said you cant get gyno during PCT cause your not taking steroids anymore.

I didn't say you can't get gyno during post cycle therapy (pct). You surely can. I'm asking why you would be worried about taking something that up-regulates the progesterone receptor at a time when you're no longer taking progestins? Think about it for half a second. Also, if you don't like studies, you can go over to GNC where some retard can tell you all sorts of fantastic bro-lore, nonsense.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

what if your body still has a high amount of prolactin? and nolva makes it worse-just cause you post one study-it is different for everyone-why would you risk it when the differences between clomid and nolva-pertaining to what they are used for are so close? for some reason you always want to argue with precautions? wasup wid dat?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

ive just seen too many studies(on every topic of life) over the years..and too many docs change their mind-and results differ to believe that its impossible for nolva to excaberate prolactin gyno. so im not fuckin with it.

 

[Conciliator]

what if your body still has a high amount of prolactin? and nolva makes it worse

When has nolva ever been shown to interact in any with prolactin or prolactin signaling? Progesterone is one thing. Prolactin is another. 19-nors are progestins, not prolactin.

why would you risk it when the differences between clomid and nolva-pertaining to what they are used for are so close?

Risk it? You're begging the question. Our discussion is about whether there even is a legitimate risk in the first place.