Primo cycle/stacking questions

[Dk89]

So I'm looking into a short cycle in about 2 months of primobolan and something but I have a few questions.

This will be my first cycle I've only had use of 1-ad in the past. I like the short cycle model right about 4 weeks of use to limit sides. My goal for this cycle is to gain strength while losing a bit of fat and don't really want to increase in size.

I play sport so this is why I don't want to increase in size but want to greatly increase my strength. I only plan to change my workout a little focusing on lower weight but high reps along with explosive training, I wanna increase my fast twitch muscles. I've been "sport" lifting for 10 years not bodybuilding lifting. Current stats are 6'7" 255 around 17% bf. before the intended Cycle I intend to drop my body fat since I was increased due to a shitty diet. When I was younger I sat around 245 but with 8%bf and heaps of strength. This is what I want to return to.

I've been looking at running originally primobolan with winstrol. Dosing would be 600Mg 1st day to front load then followed with 2x 200mg per week. For the winstrol I'd use 200mg 1st day then 35mg Ed. Running for 4 weeks.

Now as I'm planning this a few months away I want to make sure this is what I want. I've been reading into stacking primo with either anavar or masteron. I've been looking for comparisons but finding very little. What are your thoughts of a good short cycle producing strength and fat loss?

 

[Zeek]

Please do more research before even thinking of a cycle as of right now you are not ready.

Primo is worthless in a 4 week cycle.

Primo stacked with winstrol? say goodbye to your tool working for a long time.

I'm not flaming you because at least you are trying to get info. read the stickies and you may decide that steroids are really not for you especially after you describe what it is you are looking to gain from them.

 

[swoleup]

Read the stickies at the top of the forum. You need Test as a base. You CAN get cut with Test..

 

[UserAt204]

Biggest waste of time and money I've ever seen. First you won't gain anything. Primo takes a long time to make minimal gains. Winstrol (winny) is a contest prep drug. All it will do is pull water off you, mess up joints and lipids.

You need test as a base to replace test that is shut down.

Too many issues here. Bad bad idea no matter what your goals are and if "short" cycles worked then everyone would use them. Not happening here, I'd rather be natural.

 

[Dk89]

I guess that's the problem with so many message boards people say this people say that. I was looking into promo/winstrol or one used with another since I know many athletes report use and great success with said steroids. I do not however have their dosing and time of use. Is there anything you guys would recommend to at least give me direction to research more. I will in no way take anything unless I'm 100% in full knowledge of what it's gonna do and what I'm going to get out of it. I know ultimately diet training rules in the end but I'm short on time before a sport season.

 

[Zeek]

I guess that's the problem with so many message boards people say this people say that. I was looking into promo/winstrol or one used with another since I know many athletes report use and great success with said steroids. I do not however have their dosing and time of use. Is there anything you guys would recommend to at least give me direction to research more. I will in no way take anything unless I'm 100% in full knowledge of what it's gonna do and what I'm going to get out of it. I know ultimately diet training rules in the end but I'm short on time before a sport season.

The only thing I would recommend to you would be a low dose test only cycle. If you insist on limiting the duration go with test prop at 150mg eod for 8 weeks. Nothing you can take will be effective in just 4 weeks though


This would be after you do some research and have a firm understanding of PCT

 

[UserAt204]

Honestly primo is so mild I won't go under 20 weeks at 600-800mg. A better option is eq. Neither are big mass builders, but eq will build quality muscle over time. Problem is it needs to be used close to the same amount of time. On average 12-14 weeks.

I won't say primo is bad and I may run some soon, it will give a harder appearance but it has an enanthate ester meaning it will take 4-6 weeks to build in your system enough to start seeing gains but much longer to add muscle but it's very low on sides. You could run it a long time without issue.

All AAS will shut down natural test, and a short cycle won't really produce enough gains to make it worth shutting that down then the time trying to restart hpta. Test should be used with every cycle to replace that plus you could run test only and get exactly what you are looking for with a good diet. People associate test with bloating but truth is diet and estro cause it.

 

[Dk89]

Even just test at 8 weeks might be to long I'm a little worried about a possible drug test and I guess that was the main reasoning for a short cycle. I see primo wont even get going in that amount of time. I guess what I was really looking for was a cycle to in a way top me off or have me at max for a season to solidify my current strength and increase my athletic preformance. it's starting to look like what I want isn't possible.

Just for interest would masteron with test run at levels I'd have to look up work in a short cycle or still no? Also the idea of a sort cycle was put into my head by an article I read about the pros being short minimal sides easy to keep.

 

[swoleup]

Even just test at 8 weeks might be to long I'm a little worried about a possible drug test and I guess that was the main reasoning for a short cycle. I see primo wont even get going in that amount of time. I guess what I was really looking for was a cycle to in a way top me off or have me at max for a season to solidify my current strength and increase my athletic preformance. it's starting to look like what I want isn't possible.

Just for interest would masteron with test run at levels I'd have to look up work in a short cycle or still no? Also the idea of a sort cycle was put into my head by an article I read about the pros being short minimal sides easy to keep.

Did anyone mention Prop. for fast acting ester? I would not bother using AAS for 4 weeks. Wait a while where drug testing isn't a concern.

 

[swoleup]

The only thing I would recommend to you would be a low dose test only cycle. If you insist on limiting the duration go with test prop at 150mg eod for 8 weeks. Nothing you can take will be effective in just 4 weeks though


This would be after you do some research and have a firm understanding of PCT

My Bad, I see ZEEK already touched on this...

 

[Dk89]

I don't mean to drag this out I'm just happy I'm getting positive info back. So it seems if anything I should use a base of prop and could I use it with winstrol or anavar?

Like I said I know many other athletes have used and increased their performance with drugs like winstrol. My roommate in college took it but extremely unadvised and his ability went up. Would ether of those work in a short cycle or am I just pissing in the wind?

 

[Zeek]

Dk you are pissing in the wind! that is just the truth of it if you are expecting any lasting gains from a 4 week cycle that will carry over with you once you stop using.

Even test suspension which would kick in within a few days won't have time to build anything lasting in just 4 weeks.

 

[Dk89]

Cheers for the info everyone maybe next year when I have more time

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

Cheers for the info everyone maybe next year when I have more time

Not all together sure if I'm right here but unless the establishment you play sports for draws blood for testing, I don't believe you will fail a drug test by urine sample if on Test Propionate only!!!!! This will just raise your test levels because it IS test...... So I don't see how you would fail a drug test, especially if it is a piss test because what are they looking for??? Test??? Well fuck, test is in your system ANYWAY because it is your body's natural hormone!!!! So I really don't see how a urine test should stop you from Test Prop!!! If your establishment draws blood then you should be athletic enough at the level that this type testing happens that you don't need AAS.
IDK maybe I don't know shit in this area and it's very possible!