Prop and Npp cycle

[JMAN1982]

Planning my next cycle and am toying with the idea of running npp with prop. Was orignally just prop but getting to where I want to add something. Goes like this:
1-10 300mg/w prop
1-10 200mg/w npp
11-14 clomid 100/50/50/50

Never had any gyno issues with test e, just some bloat so not to worried about sides but was curious about caber and prami. I know everyone is different but does anyone have experience with npp dosages and sides?

 

[luvtofight]

Both seem too low to effect anything

 

[JMAN1982]

Both seem too low to effect anything

Does anyone else have anything to say?? Are the doses really to low? I have heard people talk about test e at 250 per week for first cycles. Also prop actually compared to enan is a higher concentration.

 

[mjunkie]

id do 600 prop and 300 npp, prop does have higher concentration but not enough to make a difference

 

[hijacked]

Your first cycle was prop only? How much? How long?
There's nothing wrong with doing a mild cycle. If thats how much you did the first time, and you got good gains from it, then go for it brother.

 

[hijacked]

I agree though, at those doses, sides arent going to be a problem. Thats the nice thing about a mild cycle if it works for ya.

 

[mjunkie]

I agree though, at those doses, sides arent going to be a problem. Thats the nice thing about a mild cycle if it works for ya.

i think its a waste of gear

 

[JMAN1982]

No my first cycle was test e at 500 for 16 weeks. gained 21lba kept 10 after pct, not bad for first cycle. I wanted to run a prop cycle to minimize bloat but was curious about npp. Just wanted to seewhat others had experienced on similiar doses. What can be done safely most of the time before sides become a problem. I hven't bought the gear yet so I can get as much as I need.

 

[joei rock]

i havent ran NPP yet but i have run deca.. 200mg a week of NPP will pretty much just be a good dose for joint support IMO.
i will be doing something similar on my next cycle to bulk this coming Feb. ... test/NPP

if it were me i would up the NPP much more if your working towards packing on some mass. not sure what the dose of your gear is. the NPP i just received is 150mg/ml ... so if yours is too.. maybe bump it up to 525mg/week by doing 1cc EOD.

a lot of people always run the test higher than other compounds like nandrolone/tren/bold/etc etc etcc... i think keeping test doses at just above a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) type dose helps keep sides to a minimum ... and gives you room to add higher dose of the other more anabolic compounds to do their job...

you should absolutely have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand .. and something like caber or prami as well.. even though i think most will agree if estrogen is under control , prolactin sides are not something to worry about .. but why take the chance..
and if you worried about deca dik , which im sure someone will eventualy bring up.. maybe add a little proviron ED to the mix..

 

[justin h]

Keep those does for 2weeks..Then up them both 50mgs for 1 week, then another 50mg. 400/300 is ok, I'd prefer 500/400 though for optimal gains and somewhat minimal sides. If your gonna run 300/200..I'd run it longer..14wks. .

 

[JMAN1982]

i havent ran NPP yet but i have run deca.. 200mg a week of NPP will pretty much just be a good dose for joint support IMO.
i will be doing something similar on my next cycle to bulk this coming Feb. ... test/NPP

if it were me i would up the NPP much more if your working towards packing on some mass. not sure what the dose of your gear is. the NPP i just received is 150mg/ml ... so if yours is too.. maybe bump it up to 525mg/week by doing 1cc EOD.

a lot of people always run the test higher than other compounds like nandrolone/tren/bold/etc etc etcc... i think keeping test doses at just above a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) type dose helps keep sides to a minimum ... and gives you room to add higher dose of the other more anabolic compounds to do their job...

you should absolutely have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand .. and something like caber or prami as well.. even though i think most will agree if estrogen is under control , prolactin sides are not something to worry about .. but why take the chance..
and if you worried about deca dik , which im sure someone will eventualy bring up.. maybe add a little proviron ED to the mix..

Shouldn't the test keep deca dick from taking over? So adex while on cycle to keep e levels low and that should limit the need for the prolactin control unless its something you are prone to? I have never run deca before so I am wondering if its all worth it or if I should just go dbol and prop.

 

[JMAN1982]

Keep those does for 2weeks..Then up them both 50mgs for 1 week, then another 50mg. 400/300 is ok, I'd prefer 500/400 though for optimal gains and somewhat minimal sides. If your gonna run 300/200..I'd run it longer..14wks. .

I want to stck to ten weeks. Everyone talks about deca and how its shuts you down hard and fast so I want recovery to be as quick as possible while using clmid only. I dont have the cash to really go all out. If thats a problem than maybe I stick with prop and dbol or maybe even go light and get some var.

 

[gettin big]

i like the 10 week idea... 14 is a waste of time and money. but up the doses a little... you said your first cycle was test e at 500 mgs and you got good results... i would do the same dose and add whatever you feel comfortable with as far as the NPP goes. I would go with 300-400. 200 wont do anything but help the joints.

 

[StanG]

Id run at 300 and 300 / week.

 

[Wurrukatte]

Gonna have to learn your own body on dosage and not listen to "everything" everyone else tells you on that.
Remember:
Half the people telling you things are too low of a dose are experienced... but are also telling you what works best for themselves based on their experiences with AAS. They may even be telling you what's best for the mass majority...
but listen to this -
I ran a 7wk cycle of Anavar (var) only... at only 30mg a day & nothing else... and STILL gained weight, 85lbs on my bench & almost 200lbs on my squat alone. Yet everyone will tell you that 30mg a day of Anavar (var) is a "waste" of money.
(Not for me it isn't)
BUT... I also am very sensitive to everything... I can't even drink more than 1/4 cup of coffee before my heart rate jacks up: so my case is not the norm..

What I'm saying is EVERYONE'S different and you need to learn how YOUR steroid receptors respond (and respond differently) to each AAS. The only way you will be able to do this in the long run (years) is to keep an exact record of your dosage and gains you kept from each cycle.
Another example:
My first cycle I ran SUST/125mg & DECA/100mg a week for 10 weeks and NOTHING else... YET - I gained 21lbs off that cycle and kept 17lbs of it.
That dose wont work for me anymore I don't think - WHY???
Because the longer you do ASS, the more cycles you do and the more muscle mass you have... the more it takes dosage wise to keep gaining. (If this wasn't true... the high level professional bodybuilders would still be rockin' at 500mgs a week of test)

So get the maximum gains that you think that YOU can get off the lowest dose. now, I'm not saying "underdose" yourself... I'm simply saying try to take just a "little" over what you NEED to get the best gains you can.
.
I'm not saying that ANYBODY that has responded to you is wrong mind you; but no one that has responded to you... knows you like you.


Listen to everyone and learn everything you can though. I've learned a TON from the guys right here on this site.
You are in the place to learn about everything... including yourself.