prop,fina,win,eq,clen,nyc - Best Cycle

Little Monster

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In my opinion, this is the best cycle for cutting. I did something very similar and lost several %points of fat while still gaining 14 pounds. The only negative I can say is it was very hard to stay at the bf% I was at after finishing, even while continuing to eat clean.

wk+prop+fina+win++eq++++clen+ECA/NYC+T3+Proviron
1 100ed ---- ---- *100ed----------6ed-------------
2 100ed ---- ----- 100ed----------6ed-------------
3 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed-- *6ed--------------------
4 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed-- 6ed---------------------
5 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed----------6ed
6 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed----------6ed
7 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed----6ed----------*---50ed
8 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed----6ed----------*---50ed
9 100ed 75ed 50ed -----------------6ed----*---50ed
10 100ed 75ed 50ed ----------------6ed----*---50ed
11 Begin HPTA recovery and clen again

*eq - frontload 300 day 1. Mixed daily with prop for more consistent levels and less pain.
*clen - start with 3 pills and work up to 6 daily; continue at 6 for the duration of use.
*T3 - 1122334 4455555 4444333 3222211 111.5.5.5.5

Optional - weeks 1-3 with 50mg/day dbol to really kickstart (the anastozol will keep the water off).

HPTA recovery:
HCG - 500IU's every Sat/Sun, or 500IU's/day weeks 9 and 10.
Clomid - 300 day1, 200 day2, 100 days3-14, 50 days 15-21, 50 eod 22-35.
Nolvadex - 40mg day 1, 20mg day 2-14.
Liquidex - 1mg eod throughout entire cycle

Supplements
WATER: 1-2 gal/day
L-Glutamine: 15mg/day (5 post workout, 10 spread evenly through day)
Creatine: 10mg/day (5 post workout w/insulin spiker, 5 spread evently through day)
L-Ornithine: 500mg/day
L-Arginine: 500mg/day
Multi Vitamin
Omega 3's
Cranberry
Milk Thistle / Tyler's Liver Detox
R-ALA: 100-300mg before carb meals
Nettles
Vitex (or 1.25mg bromo am/pm if you can take it)

Diet
Ignore the food pyramid - it's completely wrong.

Cut out all liquor/alcohol, saturated fats / trans-fatty acids, starches (potatoes, white breads, white rice, white pastas, and any other refined carbs), sodium, chocolate (or other foods with very high glycemic loads).

Try to get many of your calories from polyunsaturated / omega3 fats - these have 9 cal/gram instead of 4 from protein or carbs.

Get 1-2g protein/pound and spread it evenly through the day, but make sure to get a lot after training. Spike your insulin levels immediately following workout. Follow with 40-50g protein and avoid all fats while your insulin levels are still high. Most people gain more from protein derived from real food (chicken breasts, tuna/fish, extra-lean ground beef, steak, egg whites. I think the low carb protein shakes are digested easier than food when you drink it before bed or whenever you wake up to pee. I always have one premade with some glutamine in an insulated cup and I drink about half each time I wake up (I had to pee frequently while drinking 1.5+ gallons of water while on fina).

Throughout the day eat some carbs with each protein meal to help with uptake. Eat more of your complex carbs in the morning and taper them off through the day. Oatmeal, whole-wheat pasta, or brown Basmati rice are good carb meals. Veggies are good for the evening. Fiber is important also.

Final note - Sleep. Even though you may feel great with 5 hours a night and an hour nap during the day, that's not nearly as beneficial as 8 solid hours of sleep at night. (and of course, training!)

Those are the basics I could think of off the top of my head. This definitely works for me and completely transforms my body, but I can't keep it up year round. If you do ever go from this lifestyle back to eating "normal", just be aware that your body may rebound once it is exposed to all the typical daily foods that are high fats and spike your glycemic levels. The worst thing to see is when someone pigs out immediately following their cycle while their cortisol and estrogen levels are high and endogenous test levels haven't returned yet - that's when their gains just melt away.

"Little Monster"
 
Best cycle/diet - prop,fina,win,eq,clen,nyc,t3,prov.

In my opinion, this is the best cycle for cutting. I did something very similar and lost several %points of fat while still gaining 14 pounds. The only negative I can say is it was very hard to stay at the bf% I was at after finishing, even while continuing to eat clean.

wk+prop+fina+win++eq++++clen+ECA/NYC+T3+Proviron
1 100ed ---- ---- *100ed----------6ed-------------
2 100ed ---- ----- 100ed----------6ed-------------
3 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed-- *6ed--------------------
4 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed-- 6ed---------------------
5 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed----------6ed
6 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed----------6ed
7 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed----6ed----------*---50ed
8 100ed 75ed 50ed 100ed----6ed----------*---50ed
9 100ed 75ed 50ed -----------------6ed----*---50ed
10 100ed 75ed 50ed ----------------6ed----*---50ed
11 Begin HPTA recovery and clen again

*eq - frontload 300 day 1. Mixed daily with prop for more consistent levels and less pain.
*clen - start with 3 pills and work up to 6 daily; continue at 6 for the duration of use.
*T3 - 1122334 4455555 4444333 3222211 111.5.5.5.5

Optional - weeks 1-3 with 50mg/day dbol to really kickstart (the anastozol will keep the water off).

HPTA recovery:
HCG - 500IU's every Sat/Sun, or 500IU's/day weeks 9 and 10.
Clomid - 300 day1, 200 day2, 100 days3-14, 50 days 15-21, 50 eod 22-35.
Nolvadex - 40mg day 1, 20mg day 2-14.
Liquidex - 1mg eod throughout entire cycle

Supplements
WATER: 1-2 gal/day
L-Glutamine: 15mg/day (5 post workout, 10 spread evenly through day)
Creatine: 10mg/day (5 post workout w/insulin spiker, 5 spread evently through day)
L-Ornithine: 500mg/day
L-Arginine: 500mg/day
Multi Vitamin
Omega 3's
Cranberry
Milk Thistle / Tyler's Liver Detox
R-ALA: 100-300mg before carb meals
Nettles
Vitex (or 1.25mg bromo am/pm if you can take it)

Diet
Ignore the food pyramid - it's completely wrong.

Cut out all liquor/alcohol, saturated fats / trans-fatty acids, starches (potatoes, white breads, white rice, white pastas, and any other refined carbs), sodium, chocolate (or other foods with very high glycemic loads).

Try to get many of your calories from polyunsaturated / omega3 fats - these have 9 cal/gram instead of 4 from protein or carbs.

Get 1-2g protein/pound and spread it evenly through the day, but make sure to get a lot after training. Spike your insulin levels immediately following workout. Follow with 40-50g protein and avoid all fats while your insulin levels are still high. Most people gain more from protein derived from real food (chicken breasts, tuna/fish, extra-lean ground beef, steak, egg whites. I think the low carb protein shakes are digested easier than food when you drink it before bed or whenever you wake up to pee. I always have one premade with some glutamine in an insulated cup and I drink about half each time I wake up (I had to pee frequently while drinking 1.5+ gallons of water while on fina).

Throughout the day eat some carbs with each protein meal to help with uptake. Eat more of your complex carbs in the morning and taper them off through the day. Oatmeal, whole-wheat pasta, or brown Basmati rice are good carb meals. Veggies are good for the evening. Fiber is important also.

Final note - Sleep. Even though you may feel great with 5 hours a night and an hour nap during the day, that's not nearly as beneficial as 8 solid hours of sleep at night. (and of course, training!)

Those are the basics I could think of off the top of my head. This definitely works for me and completely transforms my body, but I can't keep it up year round. If you do ever go from this lifestyle back to eating "normal", just be aware that your body may rebound once it is exposed to all the typical daily foods that are high fats and spike your glycemic levels. The worst thing to see is when someone pigs out immediately following their cycle while their cortisol and estrogen levels are high and endogenous test levels haven't returned yet - that's when their gains just melt away.

"Little Monster"
 
Very Strong, well thought out cycle!

Do yourself a big favor and do the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every Sat and Sun...Make sure testicular atrophy never sets in!!
 
Nice COMPREHENSIVE-ASS report on your cycle ;)

You look pretty cut in your avatar, was this taken after this described cycle? What were you .........7-8% ??
 
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That is nearly my exact next cycle, except I don't have most of what you have for ancillaries(clen+ECA/NYC+T3+Proviron). I have clen and t3 but I don't plan on using them yet. I don't feel the need to get lean until around June so I'll use the 'see food' diet with it. I'll keep a record journal during the period to see how I do.
 
The picture in my avatar was actually taken after a similar cycle with lower doses all around and no eq. I'm not too sure what my bf% was, but all I know is it was pretty hard to maintain the diet for 3-4 months. Ironically, I never did any cardio on that cycle - every time I tried, the pumps would get so bad that I couldn't go for more than a few minutes. Later on I tried the elyptical machine and found that was much easier on the shins so I use that now.
 
L-Glutamine: 15mg/day (5 post workout, 10 spread evenly through day)
Creatine: 10mg/day (5 post workout w/insulin spiker, 5 spread evently through day)
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dont u mean grams not milligrams?
 
Yes, you can and should use clomid/nolva post cycle. If you are actually referring to clen rather than clomid, then you could also get away with only using clen post cycle. It will help with protein synthesis which is crucial while your body is rebounding from the cycle. Personally, I don't like the sides from clen, but it's one of the things you have to do to help prevent a bad crash.
 
This is almost my exact cutter but my doses are slightly lower. I am really looking forward to it. Im just starting to get all my stuff together now. How long did you run the clen post cycle and what rates?

Any help appreciated on this....
thanks
 
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