proposing another first cycle.

[fitguy22]

i had a post up here before i dont know where it went but heres my 2nd try after doing some research.

age25
5'9
153pounds
10%bf


Week 1-10 Sus-250 (twice a week 500mg in total)
Week 1-3 Dbol ( 20mg Eod)
Week 1-10 Arimidex .50mg Eod or ed(its a 1mg pill so ill have to cut it)

week 12-16 tamoxifen 10mg daily
week 12-16 climid 50 mg daily(to help restart the natural tests)

i have my diet in check, been eating healthy food. I'm really trying here to do a perfect cycle with a great pct so i can keep at least 50-70% of my gains with lowest sides as possible. I'm sorry if my posts may be getting annoying but i really wanna get started. thanks in advance.

 

[BigGains]

i had a post up here before i dont know where it went but heres my 2nd try after doing some research.

age25
5'9
153pounds
10%bf


Week 1-10 Sus-250 (twice a week 500mg in total)
Week 1-3 Dbol ( 20mg Eod)
Week 1-10 Arimidex .50mg Eod or ed(its a 1mg pill so ill have to cut it)

week 12-16 tamoxifen 10mg daily
week 12-16 climid 50 mg daily(to help restart the natural tests)

i have my diet in check, been eating healthy food. I'm really trying here to do a perfect cycle with a great pct so i can keep at least 50-70% of my gains with lowest sides as possible. I'm sorry if my posts may be getting annoying but i really wanna get started. thanks in advance.

Personally man, I'd just go with straight up test e (or cyp). Sust has multiple esters with differing half lives, and sust has to be injected more frequently than test e or cyp. Also, if you start to have sides/adverse reactions when running two compounds on your first cycle, how would you be able to tell which one was causing the issue?

500mg, test e only cycle. Also, I didn't see anything about HCG?? If you're not familiar, austine posted an amazing article on proper HCG protocol, mixing, dosage...everything. Good luck

 

[BigGains]

Also, sust has the deconate ester which has a loooooooong half life. Starting pct two weeks after your last injection is a bad idea. Closer to 30 days bro. Check the PCT calculator thread I posted recently.

 

[tbonexl]

Where did u get this idea from? 10mgs of nolva per day for pct? Come on man! This ain't your first thread. Go read the first cycle stickys. Sust? Omg...

 

[China_Wall]

i had a post up here before i dont know where it went but heres my 2nd try after doing some research.

age25
5'9
153pounds
10%bf


Week 1-10 Sus-250 (twice a week 500mg in total)
Week 1-3 Dbol ( 20mg Eod)
Week 1-10 Arimidex .50mg Eod or ed(its a 1mg pill so ill have to cut it)

week 12-16 tamoxifen 10mg daily
week 12-16 climid 50 mg daily(to help restart the natural tests)

i have my diet in check, been eating healthy food. I'm really trying here to do a perfect cycle with a great pct so i can keep at least 50-70% of my gains with lowest sides as possible. I'm sorry if my posts may be getting annoying but i really wanna get started. thanks in advance.

Run the sust 12 weeks

20mg dbol eod is useless, run at least 40mg ed for 4 weeks or don't run it at all

Start your clomid/nolva pct 3 weeks after your last injection of sust (and bump the nolva up to 30mg)

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I'd get enanthate or cypionate over sustanon as you will also be able to start PCT a week earlier compared to sustanon (due to decanoate ester which is very long) and run for 12 weeks over 10.

Try toremifene for PCT. Have a look around and see for yourself what peoples experiences are with it. Very, very promising. 120/90/60/60 dosing. Blood work no earlier than a month after PCT. Pre cycle bloodwork would be good too.

 

[Matt0071]

Whats your goals bro, to put on some mass?

 

[Big31]

up the dosage on Dbol... 20mg won't do it... if you're worried about bloat you could do 30mg weeks1-4 ... Or you could run it as others have posted on the net at 50mg, but have an AI on hand to help control bloating. Are you going to use HCG at all? Helps for a quick recovery. What exactyly are you trying to do with your body? Gain mass get huge , get stronger, or cut up or all of the above? what's your diet like?

 

[tbonexl]

up the dosage on Dbol... 20mg won't do it... if you're worried about bloat you could do 30mg weeks1-4 ... Or you could run it as others have posted on the net at 50mg, but have an AI on hand to help control bloating. Are you going to use HCG at all? Helps for a quick recovery. What exactyly are you trying to do with your body? Gain mass get huge , get stronger, or cut up or all of the above? what's your diet like?

An ai is to be taken during a cycle, not to have on hand.

 

[Big31]

No shit tbon...thanks for stating the obvious.. I meant for him to just make sure het gets some to take. Fitguy let me make this more clear... not just for you but for tbone needs as well.... Get an AI of your choosing and take that it while on your cycle. Do you understand? Do not wait and sit around holding it.. make sure you take it. Also for pct with Nolva .. 40/40/20/20 works real well for most.

 

[tbonexl]

Your the one that posted it. Don't get mad at me! Haha

 

[Big31]

lol nah bro I aint mad.. but foreal it does need to be made clear.. that was my bad.. So fitguy ask as many questions as possible so that we can all help you put together a well thought out cycle, so you can achieve your goals and be safe.

 

[fitguy22]

up the dosage on Dbol... 20mg won't do it... if you're worried about bloat you could do 30mg weeks1-4 ... Or you could run it as others have posted on the net at 50mg, but have an AI on hand to help control bloating. Are you going to use HCG at all? Helps for a quick recovery. What exactyly are you trying to do with your body? Gain mass get huge , get stronger, or cut up or all of the above? what's your diet like?

Yes sir i got rimidex and ill be using it while on cycle and the goal is to get lean muscle mass. Thanks for everyones reply

 

[fitguy22]

up the dosage on Dbol... 20mg won't do it... if you're worried about bloat you could do 30mg weeks1-4 ... Or you could run it as others have posted on the net at 50mg, but have an AI on hand to help control bloating. Are you going to use HCG at all? Helps for a quick recovery. What exactyly are you trying to do with your body? Gain mass get huge , get stronger, or cut up or all of the above? what's your diet like?

Yes sir i got rimidex and ill be using it while on cycle and the goal is to get lean muscle mass. Thanks for everyones reply

 

[Fat bastard]

I dont like sust... I would pick enanthate over it anyday of the week

 

[fitguy22]

Whats your goals bro, to put on some mass?

yeah bro, I'm 150 atm but id live to be around 170 by the end of the year, while keeping my bf low as 10% or lower. i already have the stuff i stated about but ill get 30mg nova and 50gm clomid. after reading what everyone said i changed up the cycle, what do ya think?


week 1-4 dbol (30mg EOD)
Week 1-12 Arimidex .5mg Eod
week 1-12 sustanon 250 500 mg a week
week 14-18 tamoxifen 30mg daily
week 14-18 Clomid 50mg daily

 

[Megatron28]

You may want to consider start adex at .25mg EOD. I would rather err to the side of letting E2 be a little too high than too low. You will be getting blood work to get yourself dialed in right? And can we please see your pre-cycle baseline blood work?

Why are you set on using sustanton over Test E/C?

Why are you choosing to not use hCG?

Make sure you take NAC the entire time to help you liver.




This is a question for everyone else: is two weeks enough time time start PCT after using Sustanton? Does it clear out that quickly? Isn't the half life of the Decanoate ester about 15 days?

 

[fitguy22]

Whats your goals bro, to put on some mass?

yeah bro i wanna be somewhere around 170 with low bf..obv the low bf would depend on my diet and I'm keeping that in check, after listening to everyones advice , well almost everyone, iv made some adjustments: what do u think about this cycle matt?

week 1-4 dbol (30mg EOD)
Week 1-12 Arimidex .5mg Eod
week 1-12 sustanon 250 500 mg a week
week 16-20 tamoxifen 30mg daily
week 16-20 Clomid 50mg daily
Week 1-12 HCG (haven***8217;t decided how much per week but i think 500-100ui a week)

 

[Black Beard]

You can put on serious mass natty. You aren't even close to your genetic potential, assuming they are at least average. You can put on at least 25 lbs in a year, and when the natural gains slow down, blast the testosterone and you will explode. Obviously, starting test might get you their faster, but you really should gain a few more lbs. 150 at 5'9 10% body fat is pretty small. I know you can fill that frame out a lot more if you put the work in and eat. Your choice though. You can use AAS as a shortcut, or as a plateau breaker. (My preference)

 

[China_Wall]

yeah bro i wanna be somewhere around 170 with low bf..obv the low bf would depend on my diet and I'm keeping that in check, after listening to everyones advice , well almost everyone, iv made some adjustments: what do u think about this cycle matt?

week 1-4 dbol (30mg EOD)
Week 1-12 Arimidex .5mg Eod
week 1-12 sustanon 250 500 mg a week
week 16-20 tamoxifen 30mg daily
week 16-20 Clomid 50mg daily
Week 1-12 HCG (haven***8217;t decided how much per week but i think 500-100ui a week)

^^DBOL EOD IS USELESS, already let u know this above... even 30mg ED will do very little