Question about HCG + Letro. Still shutdown after 6 months of PCT.

[mq8]

Hi, I ran some tren in my course around 6 months ago and I still haven't recovered after my PCT.

I must mention that I am gyno sensitive, and have a little gyno under both nips atm.

Ok so, considering I still haven't recovered in 6 months from 4 weeks of standard nolva + clomid PCT, I am planning on running HCG for possibly 2 weeks in order to rebound my LH production and get my testies and libido back to normal.
As I am gyno sensitive I plan on running a small dose of letro starting a week before the HCG and running until the HCG is finished. I realise letro is the strongest AI available, but I do happen to already have some on hand and I definitely don't want to be dealing with oestrogen levels increasing from the HCG!

After the 3 weeks of letro and 2 of HCG, I will run another standard clomid + nolva PCT to further aid the recovery of LH levels whilst again restricting any unwanted oestrogen.

If anybody has any HCG dosing advice i'd love to hear it! or just general thoughts on the subject are more than welcomed!

peace.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

No no no! What are you thinking??

DO NOT run letro during a recovery phase. How are you supposed to recover to a normal hormonal profile when you are crashing your e2 to abnormal levels??

Use Raloxifene or nolva to control gyno. Using an AI to reverse gyno is very oldschool, and simply unhealthy. IMO, you should try something like this:

hCG 1000 iu eod for two weeks
Then
100mg clomid + 40mg nolva ed for two weeks
Then
50mg clomid + 20mg nolva for another four weeks.

IF you are super worried about gyno, run raloxifene at 60mg alongside your two weeks of hCG. You can drop it when you begin clomid + nolva.

Not to be rude, but restarts are a rather delicate process and you should really do some research and understand what your trying to achieve, and how to achieve it.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Also, how do you even know you haven't recovered? Have you had any bloodwork lately? I'll bet your just living with crashed e2 which is making you feel like shit.

GET BLOODWORK FIRST!

 

[mq8]

Also, how do you even know you haven't recovered? Have you had any bloodwork lately? I'll bet your just living with crashed e2 which is making you feel like shit.

GET BLOODWORK FIRST!

Do you think Nolva ran next to the HCG would be sufficient enough for gyno protection? I'd be more than happy to use the nolva. I figured to use letro because it offers the most protection, I never thought a small dose split over a few days would be terribly detrimental.

Would you suggest nolva + HCG run simultaneously for 2 weeks before substituting the HCG with clomid and carrying on with a normal PCT?

I'm pretty sure I'm still suppressed, My testies are much smaller than they should be, I don't think my LH levels are up to much.

Of course I could have my bloods done, I just thought i'd stick up a post on what people thought first.

I really appreciate your input.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Do you think Nolva ran next to the HCG would be sufficient enough for gyno protection? I'd be more than happy to use the nolva. I figured to use letro because it offers the most protection, I never thought a small dose split over a few days would be terribly detrimental.

Would you suggest nolva + HCG run simultaneously for 2 weeks before substituting the HCG with clomid and carrying on with a normal PCT?

I'm pretty sure I'm still suppressed, My testies are much smaller than they should be, I don't think my LH levels are up to much.

Of course I could have my bloods done, I just thought i'd stick up a post on what people thought first.

I really appreciate your input.

Are you taking anything at all right now? Letro, any AI's or SERMs or anything?

Yes, nolva or ralox will both be sufficient. Much better choice than letro.

I suggest you follow the plan detailed in the above post, just run either raloxifene at 60mg or nolva at 40mg daily alongside your hCG for two weeks. Then, drop the hCG, carry on with 40mg nolva and add the 100mg clomid for two weeks. Then drop to 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva.

But definitely do bloodwork first. This is only going to work if your secondary hypogonadal/deficient. It sounds like you are but like I said, it could be from a range of different things and doing this type of restart could turn out to be worse for you (by causing suppression.)

 

[halfwit]

Do you think Nolva ran next to the HCG would be sufficient enough for gyno protection? I'd be more than happy to use the nolva. I figured to use letro because it offers the most protection, I never thought a small dose split over a few days would be terribly detrimental.

Would you suggest nolva + HCG run simultaneously for 2 weeks before substituting the HCG with clomid and carrying on with a normal PCT?

I'm pretty sure I'm still suppressed, My testies are much smaller than they should be, I don't think my LH levels are up to much.

Of course I could have my bloods done, I just thought i'd stick up a post on what people thought first.

I really appreciate your input.

Get a blood test man, nobody can guess where you're at recovery-wise at this point. Once you know, then you can take appropriate action moving forward.

 

[mq8]

Are you taking anything at all right now? Letro, any AI's or SERMs or anything?

Yes, nolva or ralox will both be sufficient. Much better choice than letro.

I suggest you follow the plan detailed in the above post, just run either raloxifene at 60mg or nolva at 40mg daily alongside your hCG for two weeks. Then, drop the hCG, carry on with 40mg nolva and add the 100mg clomid for two weeks. Then drop to 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva.

But definitely do bloodwork first. This is only going to work if your secondary hypogonadal/deficient. It sounds like you are but like I said, it could be from a range of different things and doing this type of restart could turn out to be worse for you (by causing suppression.)

I dosed 0.5 mg of letro today, Im glad I wrote in as I probably won't tomorrow.

I don't know how my GP will react when explaining the situation so i'll probably go private for the blood work. As far as the private GP goes should I just explain everything and let him/her know I need to be tested for complete blood count, chemistry levels and hormone levels?

Also would I then expect the GP to try and become involved if anything was out of place or irregular?

Thanks again.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I dosed 0.5 mg of letro today, Im glad I wrote in as I probably won't tomorrow.

I don't know how my GP will react when explaining the situation so i'll probably go private for the blood work. As far as the private GP goes should I just explain everything and let him/her know I need to be tested for complete blood count, chemistry levels and hormone levels?

Also would I then expect the GP to try and become involved if anything was out of place or irregular?

Thanks again.

Christ. If you've been running that much letro regularly you've almost certainly crashed your e2.

Stop taking the letro. Don't take anything. Wait at least two weeks (four weeks would be best) from now and then go get blood drawn.

Up to you how you want to go about it. Make up a story for your doctor "My nutritionist is about to put me on a strict diet and wants to check all these values to make sure I'm okay first," or simply tell him you want to check them, or whatever. Most GPs don't have a fucking clue what your hormonal panel actually means, but it doesn't matter. Just get the bloods and post them up here and we can help you. GP may or may not try to get involved, but again doesn't matter. He works for you, you don't have to go back and see him or do anything you don't want to. I use GP's purely as a means to get bloodwork ordered and to obtain prescriptions. That's usually the only use they have to me lol.

What country do you live in?

Also, you'll need to test for all of the following:

Total Testosterone
Free Test
Estradiol (e2) <--- NOT estrogen. You need e2 only.
Luetinizing Hormone (lh)
Follice stimulating hormone (fsh)
Prolactin

and also best to get:

Thyroid stimulating hormone
T3
T4
Complete blood count (sometimes called full blood examination)
meta_bolic panel (also called liver function tests, urea/electrolyte tests, etc.)

 

[mq8]

Christ. If you've been running that much letro regularly you've almost certainly crashed your e2.

Stop taking the letro. Don't take anything. Wait at least two weeks (four weeks would be best) from now and then go get blood drawn.

Up to you how you want to go about it. Make up a story for your doctor "My nutritionist is about to put me on a strict diet and wants to check all these values to make sure I'm okay first," or simply tell him you want to check them, or whatever. Most GPs don't have a fucking clue what your hormonal panel actually means, but it doesn't matter. Just get the bloods and post them up here and we can help you. GP may or may not try to get involved, but again doesn't matter. He works for you, you don't have to go back and see him or do anything you don't want to. I use GP's purely as a means to get bloodwork ordered and to obtain prescriptions. That's usually the only use they have to me lol.

What country do you live in?

Also, you'll need to test for all of the following:

Total Testosterone
Free Test
Estradiol (e2) <--- NOT estrogen. You need e2 only.
Luetinizing Hormone (lh)
Follice stimulating hormone (fsh)
Prolactin

and also best to get:

Thyroid stimulating hormone
T3
T4
Complete blood count (sometimes called full blood examination)
meta_bolic panel (also called liver function tests, urea/electrolyte tests, etc.)

No today was the first time I've touched it, that was actually the reason that got me round to posting, whole things is really playing on my mind.

I'm in the UK. That's no problem, would you mind having a look at the results afterwards and letting me know what you think? I'll stick up another post in here.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

No today was the first time I've touched it, that was actually the reason that got me round to posting, whole things is really playing on my mind.

I'm in the UK. That's no problem, would you mind having a look at the results afterwards and letting me know what you think? I'll stick up another post in here.

Of course, that's what we're here for. I've been through the exact same shit you are going through so trust me, I understand.

I'm not sure about the UK, but I know in the USA their medical records aren't fully private. If they are in the UK, you may as well tell your GP you did a cycle and want all those values checked. Occasionally you get the odd ignorant gp who will refuse, or say they are not necessary. You just have to demand it, and if they won't give it to you just go to another doc until you get them.

If you've only had that one dose of letro, then you can probably get your blood drawn in as little as 2 weeks from today. Post em up so we can define the problem, then go from there

 

[mq8]

Of course, that's what we're here for. I've been through the exact same shit you are going through so trust me, I understand.

I'm not sure about the UK, but I know in the USA their medical records aren't fully private. If they are in the UK, you may as well tell your GP you did a cycle and want all those values checked. Occasionally you get the odd ignorant gp who will refuse, or say they are not necessary. You just have to demand it, and if they won't give it to you just go to another doc until you get them.

If you've only had that one dose of letro, then you can probably get your blood drawn in as little as 2 weeks from today. Post em up so we can define the problem, then go from there

Massively useful information, thanks a lot its really appreciated. I'll be sure to get in touch with the doc in a few weeks and have my stats posted up afterwards!

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Massively useful information, thanks a lot its really appreciated. I'll be sure to get in touch with the doc in a few weeks and have my stats posted up afterwards!

I should have clarified, from now for the next two weeks don't take anything. We need your bloodwork to be unbiased in order to help you. No serms (ralox/nolva/clomid), no AI's, no 'test boosters' or anything like that.