quick look @ cycle guys

[akka]

so im doing a second cycle. gonna be a test e / deca cycle.

weeks 1 - 12 deca 250mg / week
weeks 1 - 14 test e 500mg / week
weeks 4 - 14 Aromatase inhibitor (AI) - adex 0.25 eod
weeks 16 - 20 post cycle therapy (pct) - nolva 40/40/20/20
- clomid 50/50/50/50


hows it looking guys? is the deca high enough dosage? should i make it 300 instead of 250.
u might think these doses are pretty small but im still quite lean. 5'10 175... i like to be conservative with this stuff. will the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) be enough to battle sides? should i take anything for the progesterone sides? i have some bromo but i really dont want to put too much shit into my body. reckon im good to go? also i cant get hcg, its just too expensive from my source.

 

[derdog909]

I think your money would better be spent on food but since youre going to run it anyways-

get hcg
and
id definitely run aromasin over adex

 

[akka]

I think your money would better be spent on food but since youre going to run it anyways-

get hcg
and
id definitely run aromasin over adex

can we just skip this guys, obviously i haven't reached my natural limit and can still make gains naturally. but im old enough to know what im doing so im doing this cycle. thanks.

 

[Cobra Strike]

can we just skip this guys, obviously i haven't reached my natural limit and can still make gains naturally. but im old enough to know what im doing so im doing this cycle. thanks.

whats your age and bf%

 

[akka]

whats your age and bf%

27 years old and about 12% body fat. cheers bro

 

[Cobra Strike]

so im doing a second cycle. gonna be a test e / deca cycle.

weeks 1 - 12 deca 250mg / week
weeks 1 - 14 test e 500mg / week
weeks 4 - 14 Aromatase inhibitor (AI) - adex 0.25 eod
weeks 16 - 20 pct - nolva 40/40/20/20
- clomid 50/50/50/50


hows it looking guys? is the deca high enough dosage? should i make it 300 instead of 250.
u might think these doses are pretty small but im still quite lean. 5'10 175... i like to be conservative with this stuff. will the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) be enough to battle sides? should i take anything for the progesterone sides? i have some bromo but i really dont want to put too much shit into my body. reckon im good to go? also i cant get hcg, its just too expensive from my source.

everything looks good except I would bump the deca to 400mg a week and test to 600mg a week...250 wont do much at all for you

also with your ai's and da's you can start those when you notice signs of gyno...so the bromo and the adex you will start together and run through pct...adex would be better at .5mg/eod IMO and you can switch to .5mg/ed if needed...also halfway through pct you should taper your adex dosage in half to avoid estro rebound...

 

[akka]

everything looks good except I would bump the deca to 400mg a week and test to 600mg a week...250 wont do much at all for you

also with your ai's and da's you can start those when you notice signs of gyno...so the bromo and the adex you will start together and run through post cycle therapy (pct)...adex would be better at .5mg/eod IMO and you can switch to .5mg/ed if needed...also halfway through post cycle therapy (pct) you should taper your adex dosage in half to avoid estro rebound...

do u think that 600mg test and 400mg deca for a 14 week cycle would be too much for me? like that seems to be the sort of cycle that guys 200lbs plus who are much bigger than me do isn't it?
my first cycle i ran 400mg test e by itself, i know very small, but i was just testing the waters. so i thought that upping it to 500 test and adding in deca would be enough of a jump... but yeah i really dont want to be just wasting my time and money by going half way. so i am willing to up the dosages, i'll definately up the deca to at least 300... im just concerned that i might not be able to handle more gear?

also, do u think i'll be fine without hcg? nolva and clomid enough for post cycle therapy (pct)? obviously it'd be better if i had Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but i just don't know if i can afford it unless its absolutely critical.

 

[akka]

well ive thought it over and i think i will up the dosages because otherwise ill just have gear left over... so 600 test and 400 deca it is.
that means im really gonna have to get Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well. man, this is gonna really be sooo expensive. better make it count!
but i am worried about doing this sort of cycle. its a big step up from my first weak cycle. do u know of other guys around the 170lb mark running something like this?

 

[Cobra Strike]

well ive thought it over and i think i will up the dosages because otherwise ill just have gear left over... so 600 test and 400 deca it is.
that means im really gonna have to get Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well. man, this is gonna really be sooo expensive. better make it count!
but i am worried about doing this sort of cycle. its a big step up from my first weak cycle. do u know of other guys around the 170lb mark running something like this?

well bro I was just giving you the info you needed to run the type of cycle you were asking about....I skipped right over the "second cycle" comment. Anyway alot of guys will just do the same cycle twice if they gained decent off the first. You can gain off test for quite some time.

on the other hand if you really want to add deca as a second compound then you can run your cycle like I posted. Eating will make the difference not the gear your running. Deca is also a very mild steroid and one of the safer ones at that so IMO it is a good addition to a cycle. You will need prami and aromasin (not sure if we covered that) and your pct of clomid and nolva will be fine...if you really want to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but its to much then order 1 5000iu vial and mix it in some bac water and use it the day after your last test inject at 500iu/ed until your out...which will get you to 4 days before pct starts.

also dont run gear cause you dont want left overs ahaha there is nothing wrong with leftovers.

 

[Aging_guy]

bump the deca to 400mg a week and test to 600mg a week

a gram of gear for a second cycle is probably going a little overboard, 300 deca and 400 test is more than enough if you're insistent on using deca. i'd say drop the deca altogether and just bump the test up to 600 and kickstart with some dbol for the first 4 weeks. how much did you do your first cycle?

 

[Cobra Strike]

a gram of gear for a second cycle is probably going a little overboard, 300 deca and 400 test is more than enough if you're insistent on using deca. i'd say drop the deca altogether and just bump the test up to 600 and kickstart with some dbol for the first 4 weeks. how much did you do your first cycle?

Im not the type of guy that pushes people into high dosages....as I stated he could do another cycle as the first one he already did and gain fine but if he is going to run deca then IMO 300mg a week is not enough....the deconate ester in 300mg of deca is about 110mg so he would really only be getting about 190mg of deca at 400mg he will be getting around 250mg of deca. Dont forget about ester weights bro....

also it would be beneficial to keep his test at 200mg higher then the deca to help avoid libido issues so that would mean hes running 800mg of gear a week anyway...

 

[akka]

a gram of gear for a second cycle is probably going a little overboard, 300 deca and 400 test is more than enough if you're insistent on using deca. i'd say drop the deca altogether and just bump the test up to 600 and kickstart with some dbol for the first 4 weeks. how much did you do your first cycle?

Im not the type of guy that pushes people into high dosages....as I stated he could do another cycle as the first one he already did and gain fine but if he is going to run deca then IMO 300mg a week is not enough....the deconate ester in 300mg of deca is about 110mg so he would really only be getting about 190mg of deca at 400mg he will be getting around 250mg of deca. Dont forget about ester weights bro....

also it would be beneficial to keep his test at 200mg higher then the deca to help avoid libido issues so that would mean hes running 800mg of gear a week anyway...

a gram of gear... far out i never thought of it like that. but splitting it test and deca, its not like taking a gram of test per week is it? gram of test is huge.
my first cycle was just 500mg / week for 12 weeks. so yeah this is a bit of a leap. but im definately doing deca this cycle. ill think it over.
ill either go 500 test 300 deca or 600 test 400 deca.

also another question, probably stupid, but anyway once u first pin a multi-use vial how long does the test last for? is it still good for months or now that the rubber has been pierced does it change it?

 

[Bullseye Forever]

a gram of gear... far out i never thought of it like that. but splitting it test and deca, its not like taking a gram of test per week is it? gram of test is huge.
my first cycle was just 500mg / week for 12 weeks. so yeah this is a bit of a leap. but im definately doing deca this cycle. ill think it over.
ill either go 500 test 300 deca or 600 test 400 deca.

also another question, probably stupid, but anyway once u first pin a multi-use vial how long does the test last for? is it still good for months or now that the rubber has been pierced does it change it?

no the vial is ok,you will go through it fast anyways......on the other question you had,i agree 100% with Cobra,go with the 600 test and 400 deca for your cycle,hell im 6'5'270 and thats the excat same cycle im going to be running in a couple of months,size compared to amount of aas doesnt matter,its what you eat and train to get it to work,not the amount of aas,train smart and eat smart and you will be surprised man,goodluck

 

[Aging_guy]

Im not the type of guy that pushes people into high dosages....as I stated he could do another cycle as the first one he already did and gain fine but if he is going to run deca then IMO 300mg a week is not enough....the deconate ester in 300mg of deca is about 110mg so he would really only be getting about 190mg of deca at 400mg he will be getting around 250mg of deca. Dont forget about ester weights bro....

also it would be beneficial to keep his test at 200mg higher then the deca to help avoid libido issues so that would mean hes running 800mg of gear a week anyway...

fair enough, i stand corrected. i'm not overly knowledgeable on deca.. i would only suggest dropping the deca and upping the test if its only his 2nd rodeo. i figured 300 deca / 400 test was an ok split, as long as you're getting more test than anything else i didn't think there would be any "deca dick" issues. my first 3 cycles only contained test and an oral.

to this day i still prefer test on its own, just different esters at different parts of the cycle, ramping up, frontloading, etc.

 

[akka]

no the vial is ok,you will go through it fast anyways......on the other question you had,i agree 100% with Cobra,go with the 600 test and 400 deca for your cycle,hell im 6'5'270 and thats the excat same cycle im going to be running in a couple of months,size compared to amount of aas doesnt matter,its what you eat and train to get it to work,not the amount of aas,train smart and eat smart and you will be surprised man,goodluck

size compared to aas doesn't matter? is this correct?
I always thought that ur dosing is related to ur size? You've got another 100lbs of mass on me, wouldn't it hit me much harder if we ran the same cycle?

 

[Cobra Strike]

fair enough, i stand corrected. i'm not overly knowledgeable on deca.. i would only suggest dropping the deca and upping the test if its only his 2nd rodeo. i figured 300 deca / 400 test was an ok split, as long as you're getting more test than anything else i didn't think there would be any "deca dick" issues. my first 3 cycles only contained test and an oral.

to this day i still prefer test on its own, just different esters at different parts of the cycle, ramping up, frontloading, etc.

I know a few guys that love test only cycles and thats not a bad thing! Usually a second cycle would be with another compound if you were going that route because not many guys want to stay on just the test only (that includes me lol) so as far as a second compound I think deca is a fairly safe one to run...

 

[Cobra Strike]

size compared to aas doesn't matter? is this correct?
I always thought that ur dosing is related to ur size? You've got another 100lbs of mass on me, wouldn't it hit me much harder if we ran the same cycle?

I do believe size is an important factor when talking about natty potential but as far as bullseye weighing more than you and running the same cycle I dont believe that he would need anymore than you....he is running about the minimum for deca as you will be as well so for a bigger guy like him to run the minimum and if he eats properly will have the same opportunity as you to make very good gains...although since he is bigger he is going to need to eat alot more than you. I weigh about 220 right now and my next deca cycle will be 500 to 600 a week but I have a few under my belt as well...400 will be good for you if you eat big!!

 

[akka]

I do believe size is an important factor when talking about natty potential but as far as bullseye weighing more than you and running the same cycle I dont believe that he would need anymore than you....he is running about the minimum for deca as you will be as well so for a bigger guy like him to run the minimum and if he eats properly will have the same opportunity as you to make very good gains...although since he is bigger he is going to need to eat alot more than you. I weigh about 220 right now and my next deca cycle will be 500 to 600 a week but I have a few under my belt as well...400 will be good for you if you eat big!!

okay thanks for your help mate.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

I do believe size is an important factor when talking about natty potential but as far as bullseye weighing more than you and running the same cycle I dont believe that he would need anymore than you....he is running about the minimum for deca as you will be as well so for a bigger guy like him to run the minimum and if he eats properly will have the same opportunity as you to make very good gains...although since he is bigger he is going to need to eat alot more than you. I weigh about 220 right now and my next deca cycle will be 500 to 600 a week but I have a few under my belt as well...400 will be good for you if you eat big!!

Oh lord Cobra,me eat more lol....god i will havet to eat the house down lmao...j/k im getting prepared as we speak,im figuring over 5k calories/day jesus lmao

 

[Cobra Strike]

Oh lord Cobra,me eat more lol....god i will havet to eat the house down lmao...j/k im getting prepared as we speak,im figuring over 5k calories/day jesus lmao

well if its any comparison I only weigh 220 and on cycle I eat 4500 to 5000cals a day...off I eat about 4000