despite what everybody says, ive never experienced the pain too much, only once. I always take hot showers and sleep with sweat pants on. Maybe that is what is doing it for me, but i have batch QV-004, the one everybody bitches about, but i like it. results are good. just gotta suck it up, btw, batch 007 isnt much better from a friend tells me, so if you cant stand the pain, the enanthate might not be for you. I hear the cypionate is painless though