S-4 cycle questions help please

[digga2404]

hey guys, im going to run a cycle of sarms to help lean me out over these next weeks, but I could just use some advice as I am this is my first cycle of any kind of ped. This is what I was planning on doing

1-8 S-4 50mg per day..maybe increase to 75-100mg if vision side effects are not bad
1-8 GW510516 20mg per day

mini pct
HCGenerate ES 8-12


Not sure if I should run an AI like Forma stanzol through weeks 1-12 or if I should run something like liquidex through weeks 1-12?
I've read that S-4 can be mildly suppressive and from what I've read HCGenerate for a mini pct seems to be enough.
Also read that SARMs don't aromatize so there is no need for AIs.. but just looking for some reassurance or advice on this. Would it be detrimental to run Forma Stanzol during this cycle?
Any feedback/advice appreciated, thanks

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Id stay at 50mg per day, thats plenty for a first cycle. S4 is pretty awesome.

Get rid of that hcgenerate shit. Run low dose clomid for pct, 25mg daily for 3-4weeks should be plenty. You won't need an AI... Using one will more likely crash your e2 than manage it. Usually theres only a very small increase in e2 with most SARMs.

Alternatively, you could do what I do with my S4 cycles and run it alongside clomid. The clomid will offset any suppression from the S4. I actually raised my natty test levels by about 250ng/dl whilst on my S4 cycle. But in that case you would likely need an AI.. And bloods to confirm. You could also ditch the PCT entirely, since there would be no suppression and your levels will stay high for several weeks after the S4 anyway.

 

[jozifp103]

i havent heard anything amazing about gw. my recommendation would be to stack osta and s4, as osta is more anabolic and will help with retaining muscle while leaning out, whereas s4 is more androgenic and helps with hardening. its a great stack, im running it in about a month, after my bulk cycle is over (along with my cruise dose 200mg test Cyp/wk.

 

[pdelta]

GW is great for increases in endurance. I've ran it several times. Also seems to help with complexion problems.

 

[jozifp103]

GW is great for increases in endurance. I've ran it several times. Also seems to help with complexion problems.

yes i should have been more clear, great for endurance, but i don't think it lives up to its fat burning capabilities, which i think is what OP is trying to get from it.

 

[CageBreed]

your gonna love the S4, stack it with the GW for amazing results

 

[CageBreed]

yes i should have been more clear, great for endurance, but i don't think it lives up to its fat burning capabilities, which i think is what OP is trying to get from it.

the increased endurance goes hand in hand with the fat burning imo

 

[psizzle_8]

i havent heard anything amazing about gw. my recommendation would be to stack osta and s4, as osta is more anabolic and will help with retaining muscle while leaning out, whereas s4 is more androgenic and helps with hardening. its a great stack, im running it in about a month, after my bulk cycle is over (along with my cruise dose 200mg test Cyp/wk.

You're right, s4 and Osta is the original sarms stack and its a reliable one.

But you're missing out with the GW. I tried it for the first time a few years ago when SarmsSearch started making it, and I loved it. You notice the endurance effects so fast it's insane. I'm able to do cardio for hours and not feel a thing. It also helps with muscular endurance while lifting weights.

Give it a try for yourself. Use SIZZLE30 for 30% off at checkout!

 

[Milton]

Make sure to read the stickies here and get as much info with your first cycle. Gw for increased endurance will be well worth it.

 

[digga2404]

Id stay at 50mg per day, thats plenty for a first cycle. S4 is pretty awesome.

Get rid of that hcgenerate shit. Run low dose clomid for pct, 25mg daily for 3-4weeks should be plenty. You won't need an AI... Using one will more likely crash your e2 than manage it. Usually theres only a very small increase in e2 with most SARMs.

Alternatively, you could do what I do with my S4 cycles and run it alongside clomid. The clomid will offset any suppression from the S4. I actually raised my natty test levels by about 250ng/dl whilst on my S4 cycle. But in that case you would likely need an AI.. And bloods to confirm. You could also ditch the PCT entirely, since there would be no suppression and your levels will stay high for several weeks after the S4 anyway.

Thanks for the reply,
So I started the S4+GW yesterday, so this would be day 2. I kind of screwed up by not getting bloods before I started..
But just to clarify what your suggesting, what do you think I should do?

Run 25mg clomid daily throughout the cycle
Run 25mg clomid daily for 3-4weeks as a PCT
or
Ditch the PCT entirely and just recover naturally?

Not sure if it would be detrimental to start running the clomid now since I didn't start it on day 1. But I know there is a sale comming up and I could stock up on it pretty quickly..

 

[bonexyster]

Thanks for the reply,
So I started the S4+GW yesterday, so this would be day 2. I kind of screwed up by not getting bloods before I started..
But just to clarify what your suggesting, what do you think I should do?

Run 25mg clomid daily throughout the cycle
Run 25mg clomid daily for 3-4weeks as a PCT
or
Ditch the PCT entirely and just recover naturally?

Not sure if it would be detrimental to start running the clomid now since I didn't start it on day 1. But I know there is a sale comming up and I could stock up on it pretty quickly..

I would not abandon pct, S4 is not very suppressive,while some people do not experience any shut down some may experience light shut down. so I'd say use some sort of pct but it will be light. I'd recommend tamoxifen. For 3 or 4 weeks that would be more then enough. You could use clomid but i would say choose to control estrogen instead. And the secondary benifit of tamoxifene is natural testosterone increase.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Clomid beats tamox (nolva) any day for recovery/test production. I recommend definetely doing a PCT after a SARMs cycle, somethin like clomid @ 25mg daily for 3-4 weeks would suffice. Alternativley, you could run clomid and your SARMs together. Clomid will offset any suppression caused by SARMs (at least this is what I have experienced personally - actually have bloodwork showing a 250ng/dl INCREASE in test levels whilst ON a SARMs cycle.)

 

[bonexyster]

Clomid beats tamox (nolva) any day for recovery/test production. I recommend definetely doing a PCT after a SARMs cycle, somethin like clomid @ 25mg daily for 3-4 weeks would suffice. Alternativley, you could run clomid and your SARMs together. Clomid will offset any suppression caused by SARMs (at least this is what I have experienced personally - actually have bloodwork showing a 250ng/dl INCREASE in test levels whilst ON a SARMs cycle.)

I agree clomid is the strongest at producing natural test increase bit if he only runs clomid and he has increased estrogen from a lowered test count clomid is not going to combat that. That is why I recommend tamoxifen. If he were to run clomid which I have no reason to appose I still suggest tamoxifen, but the stack of those 2 are simply over kill here IMO.....never heard of an increase while running the sarms but suppression is so low I see how it's possible...hmm that's pretty neat.

 

[pdelta]

I would love to try S4 but there are M1 receptors throughout the body not just in the eyes. I'm a bit of a wuss and worry about it's effect on the heart and other organs.

 

[psizzle_8]

I would love to try S4 but there are M1 receptors throughout the body not just in the eyes. I'm a bit of a wuss and worry about it's effect on the heart and other organs.

As someone who has used sarms for years now with at least a dozen cycles under my belt if not more, I can assure you your eyes will be fine. S4 is my favorite so I've used it more than any other sarm..

Before I diacovered SarmsSearch I used another company whose products were cheaper (won't name them), and I experienced scary sides. Bad headaches on top of the yellow vision. They went away of course after I discontinued use since s4's half life is so short, but it was still scary!

I went to my eye doc and asked for a full exam. Told him what the sarm did, what receptors it is attracted to, etc. I passed with flying colors (no pun intended)

I've since had several physicals and have had no issues. I understand your concern though. The eye issues kept me away from S4 for at least a year after it first became popular, I was too scared to try it lol. Finally gave in and loved it!

 

[jozifp103]

^^^ quality of product makes a huge difference in side effects experienced. I've run Osta and s4 several times using a few different companies. Started with sarmssearch then tried other (cheaper) companies, and immediately noticed more side effects. headaches, vision sides were worse, gains were less even on higher doses, and suppression was greater. Went back to SS and never looked back. You can't put a price on peace of mind knowing you're getting quality products.