Second Cycle, 1st was test only, just need an informed beast for advice

[Weapon X]

Hello Guys,
I am 25 and past my first cycle of Test Cyp only,500mg weekly, and I am currently wrapping up my PCT. For my 2nd cycle I am going for mass not cut. Below is my layout for the next go. Any advice or suggestions will be greatly appreciated, you men are the pros, I'm just a rookie looking for a respectable beast with legit info. Thanks

Week 1 to 16: .5mg of arimidex EOD
Week 1 to 12: 300-500ius of HCG every 4th or 5th day
Week 1 to 6: 30mg of D-bol ED
Week 1 to 12: 300mg of Deca
Week 1 to 12: 500mg of Test
Week 15 to 17: Nolvadex Therapy

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Looks good dude. How did you feel after the Nolva PCT? Did you get blood tests to confirm a complete recovery? How long will it be betwen the first cycle and this cycle? Did you find you were prone to gyno from that dose of test?

Also you may or may not need a dopamine agonist when running the deca (same applies if you ever happen to run tren). Make sure you have it on hand incase you do need it!

 

[justin h]

You might want to lengthen your deca to 16wks...
And possibly increase the dbol to 60mg for 4/5 wks instead of 30mg for 6.
It looks good though for a 2nd.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Oops didn't realise that, run the test for another two weeks past the deca and your good to go.

 

[Weapon X]

Hey thanks guys, got great gains in strength and size on just test c I had zero symptoms of gyno a nd he nolva made me a it the less energetic, probably just coming off the test. I am gonna wait 8 weeks before my next cycle, is that too soon?

 

[Weapon X]

Did not know that about deca and tren staunched427 thank you brother. I have my eye on tren in the future but I think I should build more experience first.

 

[Weapon X]

Did not know that about deca and tren staunched427 thank you brother. I have my eye on tren in the future but I think I should build more experience first.

 

[Weapon X]

Should I switch to shorter estered test and deca a month from final pin? Or is this unnecessary?

 

[Weapon X]

I am suggesting replacing test cyp for test prop and deca for tren acetate. I know these have less attached esters and therefore breakdown quicker and maybe let me start PCT and recovery quicker sin e my blood levels won't be topped a month after final pin?

 

[Weapon X]

Is this switch even necessary with a 2nd cycle and my first cycle with more that just test c? Any advice is greatly appreciated

 

[Weapon X]

You might want to lengthen your deca to 16wks...
And possibly increase the dbol to 60mg for 4/5 wks instead of 30mg for 6.
It looks good though for a 2nd.

Thanks for the advice brother I am new and I can't get a hold of ya for info, just msg me an address to email because I can't private msg yet, thanks again

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Try keep it all in once post dude, someone will reply eventually, make it easier to read.

It would have been the drop in test levels that caused the dip in energy levels, not so much the nolva dude.

Time on + PCT = Time off is a good guide as to how long you should wait between cycles as it usually takes another month after PCT (sometimes longer) for you system to stabilise again plus it gives you time to train naturally and give your body a break. Many people break that rule and use PCT as a bridge between cycles, it just all depends how far you want to take it really.

Save tren for when you have a a few cycles under your belt so you can see how your body reacts on what gear. You don't have to, that's just my opinion and a smart one at that. Tren is quite strong, but can be harsh. Save it for when your exhausted of typical compounds such as test, deca, eq etc.

 

[Weapon X]

Try keep it all in once post dude, someone will reply eventually, make it easier to read.

It would have been the drop in test levels that caused the dip in energy levels, not so much the nolva dude.

Time on + PCT = Time off is a good guide as to how long you should wait between cycles as it usually takes another month after PCT (sometimes longer) for you system to stabilise again plus it gives you time to train naturally and give your body a break. Many people break that rule and use PCT as a bridge between cycles, it just all depends how far you want to take it really.

Save tren for when you have a a few cycles under your belt so you can see how your body reacts on what gear. You don't have to, that's just my opinion and a smart one at that. Tren is quite strong, but can be harsh. Save it for when your exhausted of typical compounds such as test, deca, eq etc.

Thanks brother, I'm still new I apologize. I've been reading that I should wait for tren I just also heard to replace deca with tren 4 weeks b4 I end the cycle. I'll take your word, I only plan on test cyp, Deca and Dbol for my 2nd. Thanks again man. Any other advice throw at me

 

[STAUNCHED427]

All good dude!

No don't replace the deca with tren. Just make sure you run your test two weeks longer than the deca as to allowit to clear out and make recovery easier and 19-nors (tren and deca) are strong as supressing natural test and deca is quite a long ester.

Test, dbol and deca is a good cycle for a second basically your original cycle in your first post of this thread. Make sure you get yourself an AI and dopamine agonist, if you need get it from the site sponsor Ancillaries

I would drop the nolva for PCT and get some toremifene, again, that can be gotten from AR-R.

 

[Weapon X]

All good dude!

No don't replace the deca with tren. Just make sure you run your test two weeks longer than the deca as to allowit to clear out and make recovery easier and 19-nors (tren and deca) are strong as supressing natural test and deca is quite a long ester.

Test, dbol and deca is a good cycle for a second basically your original cycle in your first post of this thread. Make sure you get yourself an AI and dopamine agonist, if you need get it from the site sponsor Ancillaries

I would drop the nolva for PCT and get some toremifene, again, that can be gotten from AR-R.

Hey thanks bro, i've heard to cut the deca 2 weeks before cutting test because dbol and deca zap your natural free test. If I'm not mistaken deca has a have life longer than test cyp. I plan on test cyp, do you have another suggestion? And are those PCT options really better than nolva? Heard good things about ar-r, so they are legit bro?

 

[jets]

All good dude!

No don't replace the deca with tren. Just make sure you run your test two weeks longer than the deca as to allowit to clear out and make recovery easier and 19-nors (tren and deca) are strong as supressing natural test and deca is quite a long ester.

Test, dbol and deca is a good cycle for a second basically your original cycle in your first post of this thread. Make sure you get yourself an AI and dopamine agonist, if you need get it from the site sponsor Ancillaries

I would drop the nolva for PCT and get some toremifene, again, that can be gotten from AR-R.

Listen to this guy, he has you on the right path. IMO Tren shouldn't be used by "newbies." Stick to the original cycle you have posted maybe up the dbol as 30mg's was low for me, hcg e3d and buckle up and enjoy the ride.

PCT is really a personal preference, although many don't use torem it is definitely becoming a popular PCT serm. Just make sure to run your Test 2 weeks past the last injection of deca as it shuts you down very hard. ARR/CEM is legit! I use them for all my research needs, just a little pricey.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

30mg of properly dosed dbol split daily IMO should be plenty for your second cycle for a kickstart... In all honesty for your second I would have run just the test with some NPP (nandrolone phenylprop, which is just a short estered "deca") or the deca, it's no bother which you use as they are both the same hormone just with different clearance times...and saved the dbol for a the third cycle. But again, that's me. I'd reccomend you look into liver support aswell as dbol, like all other orals will raise liver enzymes. Keep water intake up especially!

Anyway, with that way you will get to see how deca goes for you compared to just test, but if it's not much of a worry then it doesn't matter again. When it comes to juicing I've never really been one to be a more is better type of guy, rather if you can get away without using orals/heavy stacking/high doses then long term you will be better off and get to see how each compound affects you in what way. It is also healthier. Don't get me wrong though, orals do have their place and I will definitely use them in the future, however I personally stick to injectables mostly and wouldn't advocate a lot of oral based stacking.

Yeah when it comes to PCT there is really a few ways you can do it, "the best" option is always going to be an argument starter but I think majority would say toremifene is the one that will come out on top in the near future as the norm PCT drug. I only hear good reports of it as a PCT drug and everyone I have come across who has used it say they won't ever touch clomid/nolva again. I would love to give torem a whirl just to compare it with clomid for PCT as I can vouch clomid may give you wicked depression/mood swings and making you real bitchy, but I am on TRT so PCT isn't much of a deal for me. However, when I do plan to have kids later down the track I can tell you I will be using Torem/hCG while trying to concieve...

Yes AR-R is legit, they have sales on pretty often too

 

[Weapon X]

30mg of properly dosed dbol split daily IMO should be plenty for your second cycle for a kickstart... In all honesty for your second I would have run just the test with some NPP (nandrolone phenylprop, which is just a short estered "deca") or the deca, it's no bother which you use as they are both the same hormone just with different clearance times...and saved the dbol for a the third cycle. But again, that's me. I'd reccomend you look into liver support aswell as dbol, like all other orals will raise liver enzymes. Keep water intake up especially!

Anyway, with that way you will get to see how deca goes for you compared to just test, but if it's not much of a worry then it doesn't matter again. When it comes to juicing I've never really been one to be a more is better type of guy, rather if you can get away without using orals/heavy stacking/high doses then long term you will be better off and get to see how each compound affects you in what way. It is also healthier. Don't get me wrong though, orals do have their place and I will definitely use them in the future, however I personally stick to injectables mostly and wouldn't advocate a lot of oral based stacking.

Yeah when it comes to PCT there is really a few ways you can do it, "the best" option is always going to be an argument starter but I think majority would say toremifene is the one that will come out on top in the near future as the norm PCT drug. I only hear good reports of it as a PCT drug and everyone I have come across who has used it say they won't ever touch clomid/nolva again. I would love to give torem a whirl just to compare it with clomid for PCT as I can vouch clomid may give you wicked depression/mood swings and making you real bitchy, but I am on TRT so PCT isn't much of a deal for me. However, when I do plan to have kids later down the track I can tell you I will be using Torem/hCG while trying to concieve...

Yes AR-R is legit, they have sales on pretty often too

Hey thanks again, most of the ppl I hear from want to jump in headfirst but I agree with your reasoning. I may not use dbol this time just to test the water with added deca. Another question for you: What about injectable dbol? I have seen it before but don't know anyone with experience. Would this raise the liver enzymes as much as the oral doses?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Yes many people want it and they want it now. They can have it now, but at what cost? If you can get away with using the least amount of stuff to achieve your goals then kudos... long-term your body will thank you.

Dropping the dbol would be smart and safer taking health into consideration. You should be very pleased with 500mg Test and 300mg Deca (if you can go with the NPP and don't go any lower than 300mg IMO) provided you are eating correctly, training right and getting your rest in. You can always save the dbol for later cycles.

Injectable-prepared oral steroids IMO are still going to be processed by the liver/impact lipids, maybe not to as an extent as taking them orally because you bypass the process of going through the liver to get in the blood but never the less they still will be toxic. I would never bother with injectable prepared orals, also considering you have to inject them at least twice daily I would leave orals for oral use. Also you need to make sure your injectable dbol is actually injectable dbol and not a liquid form of dbol meant for oral administration.

 

[Weapon X]

Yes many people want it and they want it now. They can have it now, but at what cost? If you can get away with using the least amount of stuff to achieve your goals then kudos... long-term your body will thank you.

Dropping the dbol would be smart and safer taking health into consideration. You should be very pleased with 500mg Test and 300mg Deca (if you can go with the NPP and don't go any lower than 300mg IMO) provided you are eating correctly, training right and getting your rest in. You can always save the dbol for later cycles.

Injectable-prepared oral steroids IMO are still going to be processed by the liver/impact lipids, maybe not to as an extent as taking them orally because you bypass the process of going through the liver to get in the blood but never the less they still will be toxic. I would never bother with injectable prepared orals, also considering you have to inject them at least twice daily I would leave orals for oral use. Also you need to make sure your injectable dbol is actually injectable dbol and not a liquid form of dbol meant for oral administration.

Thanks again Staunched