Second cycle advice 700mg of test e or second steroid

[Ninjathecat]

Hey, going to start planning my second cycle soon and just wanted some advice first cycle was 4 weeks of 40mg of dbol and 10 weeks of 500mg of test e and 2 weeks of test p 100mg eod after the test e to nicely ease into my pct got decent results from this cycle being a powerlifter mainly after strength

so my question is for my second cycle keep the dbol dosage the same and up the test e dosage to 700mg a week or add a second compound like deca or another steroid and keep test e at 500mg a week.

 

[Milton]

Welcome to the site! what are your stats?

 

[Ninjathecat]

27yo
5'7
189lb

 

[Milton]

whats your bf%?

 

[Ninjathecat]

Around 17%

 

[scorob777]

I went down the road of keeping test the same and adding different compounds. I did deca and boldenone, but really for joint healing and collagen synthesis type reasons more than anything. One of these days I'm going to circle back and try just test at higher levels.

So depends on what your goals are. As you are probably aware recovery from deca and boldenone is a different beast, due to deca's highly suppressive nature and suppressive metabolites, and for boldenone the ridiculously long 15 day half life. If you go with those adjust your PCT timing, duration, and dosages to suit.

 

[3J]

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hey, going to start planning my second cycle soon and just wanted some advice first cycle was 4 weeks of 40mg of dbol and 10 weeks of 500mg of test e and 2 weeks of test p 100mg eod after the test e to nicely ease into my pct got decent results from this cycle being a powerlifter mainly after strength
so there is zero reason to switch to test p.. Just run the test e for 12 weeks next time
so my question is for my second cycle keep the dbol dosage the same and up the test e dosage to 700mg a week or add a second compound like deca or another steroid and keep test e at 500mg a week.

i wouldn't jump from 500 to 700.. Instead i would run a cycle this way

500mg test e 14 weeks
400mg deca 12 weeks (great for strength gain and avoiding injury)
40mg dbol ed weeks 1-4
250iu hcg twice a week
start with .25mg adex eod, up to .5mg adex eod at week 3

pct start week 16 50mg clomid 20mg nolva ed. Hcg stops 3 days before pct starts

most importantly, since youre looking for strength gains, what do you have planned for your diet? Do you know your bmr/tdee?

 

[Ninjathecat]

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most importantly, since youre looking for strength gains, what do you have planned for your diet? Do you know your bmr/tdee?

The reason for the test p the last two weeks was so I could after my last jab of test e there wasn't two weeks of nothing while waiting to start pct and with test p I'll start pct about 4 or 5 days after the last shot

my diets pretty I have a pretty active job so getting enough carbs is essential I aim for 260p/140f/300c

That cycle you wrote up looks pretty good though I'll definitely look into it.

 

[tbonexl]

The reason for the test p the last two weeks was so I could after my last jab of test e there wasn't two weeks of nothing while waiting to start pct and with test p I'll start pct about 4 or 5 days after the last shot

my diets pretty I have a pretty active job so getting enough carbs is essential I aim for 260p/140f/300c

That cycle you wrote up looks pretty good though I'll definitely look into it.

You still have elevated levels of test in your system between last pin and pct. That's the reason why you wait atleast 2 weeks to start pct. Really you should wait 3 weeks.
That is a pretty solid cycle 3j posted.

 

[3J]

it takes much longer that 2 weeks for test e to clear your system.. it takes 2 weeks for test p to completely clear your system.. remember, half life.. so if youre at 700, 10 days later youre at 350, 10 days later youre at 175 and so on..

Well as the test e is taking its two weeks to clear out the test p should be keeping test levels stable and not slowly declining over the two weeks and once the test e ester has gone I'll wait 5 days for the test p to clear before starting pct, I'd like to hear your arguments against it and why you think pct should be 3 weeks after last test p shot and not the usual 3 to 5 days?
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[Ninjathecat]

You still have elevated levels of test in your system between last pin and pct. That's the reason why you wait atleast 2 weeks to start pct. Really you should wait 3 weeks.
That is a pretty solid cycle 3j posted.

Well as the test e is taking its two weeks to clear out the test p should be keeping test levels stable and not slowly declining over the two weeks and once the test e ester has gone I'll wait 3 days for the test p to clear then jump straight into pct, I'd like to hear your arguments against it?
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[tbonexl]

Well as the test e is taking its two weeks to clear out the test p should be keeping test levels stable and not slowly declining over the two weeks and once the test e ester has gone I'll wait 3 days for the test p to clear then jump straight into pct, I'd like to hear your arguments against it?
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You would be starting pct too soon. Remember you can't do a successful pct with elevated hormones in your system. You need to wait for them to clear to start pct.

 

[3J]

again, it takes much longer.... test p does not clear your system in 3 days.. the dosage you inject, that builds up, cuts down in half in 3 days..


another example, since you cant seem to get it..

test p injected every 3 days would look like this

1- 100
3- 50 + 100
5- 25 + 50+100

so by the third shot you actually have 175mg in your system.. three days later without an injection it would be right under 90... do the math..

Well as the test e is taking its two weeks to clear out the test p should be keeping test levels stable and not slowly declining over the two weeks and once the test e ester has gone I'll wait 3 days for the test p to clear then jump straight into pct, I'd like to hear your arguments against it?
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[Ninjathecat]

Thanks for the reply I appreciate you guys taking the time to explain it, I should explain I don't know if it helpful but I would be starting pct 5 days after the last test p which would be run for 23 days after the last test e shot, like I'm still learning about aas and have read a few people talk about this and swearing by it also 3js cheers for that cycle you wrote I'll definitely get onto it next time.

 

[scorob777]

Well as the test e is taking its two weeks to clear out the test p should be keeping test levels stable and not slowly declining over the two weeks and once the test e ester has gone I'll wait 3 days for the test p to clear then jump straight into pct, I'd like to hear your arguments against it?
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You don't seem to understand that the Test E is not taking two weeks to clear your system. Take a look at this blood level chart, it is based on taking 700 mg/wk Test E with 10 day half life.

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This shows your last shot at beginning of week #5. Two weeks later your blood level drops from 6x to roughly 3x higher than your natural production - not even close to clearing your system.

Four weeks after your last shot - roughly 3 half lives, your level drops to about what your body would produce if you were a normal healthy person. If you had low T to start with then this is optimistic and would take longer than four weeks.

Six weeks after last shot you would still be 42% suppressed, and eight weeks after 15% suppressed. By week 10 after last shot it has finally "cleared" your system.

Injecting Test Prop in those two weeks after last shot will just keep you up near max blood levels for those two weeks, then the Prop would rapidly bleed away in weeks 3&4, then you'd be riding the same decay curve on the Test E after that.

To maximize your chances of a successful PCT on this plan you'd want to wait four weeks after last Test E shot, and then run for preferably six weeks - that way you'd emerge from PCT with virtually no Test E left in your system and hopefully restarted. If you do it sooner, you'll emerge partially suppressed, and chances of success drop.

Just for grins, here is the same blood level plot adding 100 mg Test P EOD for two weeks after last Test E shot, so you can see what I'm talking about.

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The blue line is your Test P blood levels, black is Test E + Test P. All you are doing is keeping yourself on cycle for two weeks longer, and if you started PCT then at +2 weeks your blood level would be close to maximum you had on cycle - good luck with that.