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[lwhich]

Hey guys, just a question about my second cycle. I've just wrapped up my first 500mg/wk 12 wk Test E cycle. Currently on post cycle therapy (pct). I'm saving money and planning my second cycle, I just need some help with dosing.

Option 1:
weeks 1-12, 500mg test e/wk
weeks 1-8, 200mg tren e/wk
weeks 1-14, .25mg arimidex eod
weeks 15-18, clomid 50mg ed
weeks 15-16, nolva 40mg ed
weeks 17-18, nolva 20mg ed

Option 2
weeks 1-12, 500mg test e/wk
weeks 1-10 300mg deca/wk
weeks 1-14, .25mg arimidex eod
weeks 15-18, clomid 50mg ed
weeks 15-16, nolva 40mg ed
weeks 17-18, nolva 20mg ed

Which cycle looks better in your opinion? I'm kinda ballparking the tren dosage, because I haven't seen anyone on any forum have a "first tren cycle" that isn't completely asinine.

Also, could someone explain to me the benefits of prami and caber? I see those words being thrown around a lot.

22y/o 205 lb 6'2" 15%BF

Will be down to %10BF by the time the next cycle starts/bloat leaves

Thanks y'all!

 

[Rumpy]

Well, a few thoughts,

First, 22? you're too young, blah blah, big lecture, I guess it's too late for that.

Prami and Caber perform the same function so it's one or the other. In the simplest terms, they are similar to adex only instead of controlling estrogen they control prolactin, with is a side of 19-Nor compounds like Deca and Tren, so just like Adex, you need to take them on cycle.

With either option I would recommend you run your cycle longer. It takes time to build muscle so more time is better. I would consider going to 16 weeks. 10 weeks is too short for deca. You could switch to NPP (the short ester version of Deca) and run that right up to the end of the test. My last cycle was 600 test and 400 NPP, and that was good for me. If I run that again I might even up it a little bit.

1/4mg of Adex EOD is an OK starting point but up it to 1/2mg EOD at the first sign of itchy or puffy nips, go to 1/2mg ED if needed. It's always better to run your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) low and increase it as needed, but do not hesitate to increase it. The signs of it being too low are easy to spot, the signs of it being too high are not.

I have not used tren yet so I'm not going to comment on that.

 

[MustangDX]

You do know that your possibly damaging your HPTA and growth plates right? Your 22 and getting ready for your 2nd cycle. Even if you cycle correctly, your still putting your health in jeopardy for the future. Are the gains really worth it?...

 

[Rumpy]

You do know that your possibly damaging your HPTA and growth plates right? Your 22 and getting ready for your 2nd cycle. Even if you cycle correctly, your still putting your health in jeopardy for the future. Are the gains really worth it?...

I completely agree. He's already done one though, so the damage is done, well, sure, you can always do more damage. Assuming he waits the normal off-time for his second he could be 23. I decided not to beat him up too much on this point, but thank you, it needed saying.

 

[lwhich]

I completely agree. He's already done one though, so the damage is done, well, sure, you can always do more damage. Assuming he waits the normal off-time for his second he could be 23. I decided not to beat him up too much on this point, but thank you, it needed saying.

I appreciate you guys being polite, I know most youngsters such as I have a rough time... But I see one has a better response if they *kinda* know their stuff rather than some freshman saying, "Pass the D-Bol, orals only!" I will be 23 by the end of my cycle if I decide to go 16 weeks (Early May birthday, not starting cycle till February ish.)

I actually got an x-ray for an unrelated issue about a year back, and my doctor mentioned my growth plates aren't soft, meaning they were closed/nearly closed. I'm not sure if that matters to you guys, but, putting it out there.

Also, not trying to discredit anything said, but doesn't AAS damage HPTA for all users?

 

[MustangDX]

I appreciate you guys being polite, I know most youngsters such as I have a rough time... But I see one has a better response if they *kinda* know their stuff rather than some freshman saying, "Pass the D-Bol, orals only!" I will be 23 by the end of my cycle if I decide to go 16 weeks (Early May birthday, not starting cycle till February ish.)

I actually got an x-ray for an unrelated issue about a year back, and my doctor mentioned my growth plates aren't soft, meaning they were closed/nearly closed. I'm not sure if that matters to you guys, but, putting it out there.

Also, not trying to discredit anything said, but doesn't AAS damage HPTA for all users?

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21 but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies that carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain that is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs of age and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing until the age of 25yrs old. The HPTA is very sensitive and has many pathways that regulate the human body. Steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during young development. This will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behavior of the HPTA which can lead to potential lifelong testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) treatment. Full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. The age of 25 is a good starting point to get bloodwork drawn to see exactly where your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycle. It's best to wait to cycle until you have reach your testosterone peak.

 

[Chicago712]

I would definitely suggest running the deca and see how you react with a 19-nor before deciding to run tren which has more potential for sides compared to deca

edit - i just saw your stats bro.. 6'2 205 is tiny.. id focus on getting bigger before getting back on.. i know it's a little too late since you've already ran a cycle but.. i can't even imagine how small you were prior to the first cycle... regardless i hope you get the results your looking for

 

[Rumpy]

Also, not trying to discredit anything said, but doesn't AAS damage HPTA for all users?

Short answer, no. but your risks go up significantly if you're younger.

Long answer - What Mustang said.

 

[Frank White]

Too young. But if I was going to do a cycle, I would chose option 2 with the Deca. Tren? You dont want to dance with her...