Second cycle - ready to go?

eyeofthetiger89

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Hey I'm:

28 y/o
6'
195 lb
15 % bf

Ran my first cycle last year, 500 Test E and Dbol, got great results

Want to run the following cycle now. Goal is to add lean muscle while maximizing cutting.

Week 1-12 - Test E - 500 mg (250mg 2x/week)
Week 1-12 - HCG - 500 mg (250mg 2x/week)
Week 1-4 - Dbol - 40-50mg ED
Week 6-12 - Anavar - 60-80mg ED

Aromasin 12.5mg ED from start of cycle to end of PCT

Clomid 75/50/50/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
 
Cumulative 10 weeks of orals, with a 2 week break. You must hate your liver.

Aromasin from start of cycle to start of PCT, not end.

Otherwise seems ok. How long are you waiting to start PCT? Doing any blood testing?
 
Hey I'm:

28 y/o
6'
195 lb
15 % bf

Ran my first cycle last year, 500 Test E and Dbol, got great results

Want to run the following cycle now. Goal is to add lean muscle while maximizing cutting.

Week 1-12 - Test E - 500 mg (250mg 2x/week)
Week 1-12 - HCG - 500 mg (250mg 2x/week)
Week 1-4 - Dbol - 40-50mg ED
Week 6-12 - Anavar - 60-80mg ED

Aromasin 12.5mg ED from start of cycle to end of PCT

Clomid 75/50/50/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
the rule of thumb with cycles is to only add one new compound for each cycle you run.. why? because IF something goes wrong, odds are its the newest compound that has been added...

anavar is mildly hepatoxic.. but doesn't seem to be needed here..

let your diet dictate your goals, not the steroids you take..

i say you run test and dbol the way you have it set up.. skip the var.

whats your nutrition going to look like? thats whats important

-3J
Ology's Nutritionist and Owner of 3Js Nutrition Network
 
Far as hcg you mean 500iu of HCG right? not 500mg of HCG.
How long ago did you do your last cycle? be sure to include lots of milk thistle for your liver.
 
I would run like this

Test 600
Eq 400
Dbol or anavar weeks 1-6 (no more and maybe less depending on how you feel)

Are yoy prone gyno bro? If not you dont need all the AIs. Just have them on hand. More shit in your system is not always better..that goes with everything.

Also, i like 16 week cycles rather than 12. But it depends on what your goals are and if this is going to be a lifestyle or not. Your not going to gain 30lbs muscle in a few years and a few cycles..sorry, just not going to happen.
 
I would run like this

Test 600
Eq 400
Dbol or anavar weeks 1-6 (no more and maybe less depending on how you feel)

Are you prone gyno bro? If not you dont need all the AIs. Just have them on hand. More shit in your system is not always better..that goes with everything.

Also, i like 16 week cycles rather than 12. But it depends on what your goals are and if this is going to be a lifestyle or not. Your not going to gain 30lbs muscle in a few years and a few cycles..sorry, just not going to happen.

I will say the suggested cycle ^^^ above is good. However I want to clarify the use of an AI. AND this is important in achieving the most efficient and SAFE cycle.

There are many unwanted side effects if no AI is on board. Fact is when you introduce exogenous Test to your system your E2 will rise. Now being prone to Gyno or not has nothing to do with ALL the other unwanted and detrimental side effects. Test is a high Aromatizing compound one of the most. Also Dbol is probably the worst. Please get more familiar with the Steroid Profiles. It is helpful as to designing a cycle for your ultimate goal.

A small amount of AI and will help be a Preventive Medicine for the Gyno and the other sides which I will list for you, however you need to research this on your own. IT's your body and health. . Another reason, Why would you want the Gyno get started. Then only to fight to stop the Gyno and other sides.

Low Estrogen Side Effects:

- Osteoporosis (weakened bones) ; (long-term low levels)
- Poor sex drive
- Fatigue
- Lethargy
- Skin quality diminishes
- Depression
- Poor sense of wellbeing & poor quality of life

High Estrogen Side Effects:

- Gynecomastia
- Anxiety & panic attacks
- Depression
- Erectile dysfunction
- Water retention
- High blood pressure
- Loss of balance/instability/dizziness
- Respiratory related concerns
- Irritability
- Low libido
- Insomnia
- Prostate related issues
- Crying l and being emotional all the time

SO listen when you diet appropriately , and you have good BB routine and whether or not AAS is used you will you will be building muscle. Since you are not depleting the calories needed you will be maintaining automatically and will not lose lean mass.

Dbol kick start will add to activity of the Aromatase enzyme. YOU DO NOT NEED THAT. YOU might or should better use Test Prop to kick start everything. Using Dbol will raze havoc with E2. And it is not going to aid in building muscle any better then the rest to speak of. The Var at the ending weeks is good but at that time I would lower the test to 400 mgs a long side the EQ at 400mgs. EQ does not aromatize as heavily but it does and needs an AI.

I will 100% agree with the 16 week cycle. I have found the 16 week cycle has shown me better results in the long run. Listen barrysanders said it on the time it takes to build muscle mass. Keeping cycling lean.... a 10 lbs gain is ok or even a 15 max total gain and 15 should be very high then lean out to a 4-5-pounds of LMM gain.
A man is able to gain a MAX of 15-20 pounds of LMM in 12-14 months , a year. AS you mature in the BB and the more mass you gain will get to diminishing returns of muscle weight. Look at the pro's between a year show like the Olympian show.

Let us know what you decide and stick with Steroidology

OMM
 
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Your need to get the BF% down . Another reason at 15% you should never use Dbol when your BF% is higher then 12-13 %.

I suggest you pay more attention to the mirror then the scale. Yea ya gotta watch weight but at 15% and wanna get that down, the mirror is going to be a key for you to watch.

OMM
 
I would run like this

Test 600
Eq 400
Dbol or anavar weeks 1-6 (no more and maybe less depending on how you feel)

Are yoy prone gyno bro? If not you dont need all the AIs. Just have them on hand. More shit in your system is not always better..that goes with everything.

Eq aromatizes about half as much as test, so at those doses you'd have 600 test + 400/2 eq = 800 mg/wk aromatizing load.

Good luck not needing any AI at that dose. You could probably run down Mike's list of symptoms and reel off a handful.
 
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