Second Test cycle. Need a fresh view

[Teras14]

Hi guys.
I want to hear an independent opinion.

History:
1-8 Test P 140mg eod
Arimidex 0.5 eod ( Dose was chosen randomly)
PCT:
20/20/10/10 Tamoxifen
50/50/50/25 clomid




Currently I'm in 7 week of cycle

1-6 600mg/w Test E
6-12 750 mg/w Test E (nots sure if that increase of Test was logical decision)
1-5 25mg aromasin EOD (after 5 wek E2 check showed 99.2pmol/l (99,7-199) so I lowered the dose)
5-12 20mg EOD aromasin

Not sure about PCT protocol. Got two choises:

#1

8-14 500IUx2 HCG and after HCG start standard PCT procedure
50/50/50/50 Clomid
20/20/20/20 Tamoxifen
or

#2 Do something like "PoWeR PCT"

13-14 HCG 1000IU EOD
13-15 clomid 50 (Duration of clomid might be extended depending on LH levels)
13-16 tamofixen 20

I'm thinking of #2, because HCG might elevate E2 levels which are not controllable with aromatize inhibitors and I do not want to use tamoxifen only for gyno prevention. Does it make any sense, guys?
Also, I was chatting with IFBB word champion. According him (and his crew), he never use tamoxifen and clomid combined. He said, that this is his coach decision and he can not explain why. Any ideas why combo of these compounds is a bad idea?

 

[Onk]

I'd go with #1.

Just to clarify, 500iu a week, split into 2 doses whilst on cycle.

 

[Teras14]

I'm thinking about 500iu twice a week with 1000IU total. I read an article that some patients are not sensitive for 250x2. 500x2, on the other hand, works fine. sorry, I don't have the reference right now.

 

[tbonexl]

Read the ology faq's thread. Your kinda off on everything. Tapering doses of test, ai dosage, frequency, hcg use and pct. Go read the thread and come back with questions...

 

[Teras14]

I tapered test, because I was going for 14w cycle, but circumstances shortened it to 12.
Have no clue whats wrong with AI dose? I did a standard 25 mg EOD procedure, checked my E2 levels and adjusted to 20 mg EOD. If there is a better way I would like to hear it.
Frequency of what? Aromasin? EOD is not something to be worried about.
I see only criticism but not a constructive thinking.

 

[tbonexl]

Well due to aromasin's half life, it's recommended to take every day. Hcg is suggested to use crom beginning of cycle up to pct at 250 iu's twice a week. Pct consists of nolva and clomid in atleast a 4 week plan. This is all covered in the ology faq's thread...

 

[Teras14]

Guys, I think that you are looking way too serious into "FAQs thread" and not thinking outside the box. I admit, that aromasin is better to use ED (and probably I will do so), but aromasin is suicidal AI and there is no E2 rebound so using it EOD is not so bad as it seems. I see that every forum has its own "golden rules". For example 250x2 IU is too low. Tomorrow I'll link the article. Ant what is the big deal about 4 weeks of PCT? This is a protocol for masses who do not make a blood check to see if LH and TEST is in normal range. There is nothing special about 4 weeks. Actually such thinking might be harmful because new guys might think that 4 weeks is g2g for any type of cycle.

 

[tbonexl]

Hey, you do what you want. You posted the questions though...

 

[Onk]

Guys, I think that you are looking way too serious into "FAQs thread" and not thinking outside the box. I admit, that aromasin is better to use ED (and probably I will do so), but aromasin is suicidal AI and there is no E2 rebound so using it EOD is not so bad as it seems. I see that every forum has its own "golden rules". For example 250x2 IU is too low. Tomorrow I'll link the article. Ant what is the big deal about 4 weeks of PCT? This is a protocol for masses who do not make a blood check to see if LH and TEST is in normal range. There is nothing special about 4 weeks. Actually such thinking might be harmful because new guys might think that 4 weeks is g2g for any type of cycle.

250iu per week is what we give as our rule of thumb, as it's medically supported.

As for aromasin: scientifically you should use it ED, but in practice EoD can work. However, we speak of best practices here, not "what works for us". I use aromasin 2x a week when on my cruise at 250mg/wk, but I'm not recommending that to anyone as that works for me and my e2 levels.

 

[Teras14]

Thanks for a fresh view. Maybe I was in different forum for a too long. Since I respect steroidology forum more than my previous one - I will make an adjustments. Thanks again.

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks for a fresh view. Maybe I was in different forum for a too long. Since I respect steroidology forum more than my previous one - I will make an adjustments. Thanks again.

Since you are still essentially a Noob when it comes to AAS, as others have said, it is often best to start with the tried and true. As you go along and gain experience you will learn what works best for you and make tweaks. That is part of the natural learning process. Nearly everything we tell you has a YMMV disclaimer to it. But odds are you are within three standard deviations of the average AAS user and the standard advice will largely work for you.

For example, if Aromasin has about a 24 hour half life (and some argue is may be as low as 8 hours in men), why not start dosing it at a higher frequency? What is the harm in taking it more often? Whereas we can all tell you about the rollercoaster effects of taking an AI too infrequently.

And "standard" hCG doses while on TRT or on-cycle are 250-500iu every 3.5 days. Don't automatically assume the higher dose is better. One, it will cost more. Two, higher doses are more likely to result in Intratesticular Aromatization which is not controllable with an AI. If 250iu will minimize your testicular atrophy, it doesn't make sense to run more. Full disclosure: I personally use 500iu twice a week, but I tried 250iu first.

 

[Teras14]

Thanks Megatron. BTW, what is the price of HCG in USA? Everyone is talking about it like it is very expensive. In eastern Europe 5000 IU HCG (Oregon) cost ~ 8 euros and it is quite easy to buy it from the drug store.

 

[tbonexl]

Site rules prevent discussion of prices on this forum...

 

[Teras14]

sorry.

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks Megatron. BTW, what is the price of HCG in USA? Everyone is talking about it like it is very expensive. In eastern Europe 5000 IU HCG (Oregon) cost ~ 8 euros and it is quite easy to buy it from the drug store.

You need a prescription in the US to buy it.

 

[Teras14]

Well, technically I need it too, but telling "I really need it" usually helps in drug store
At least some benefits of living in undeveloped country.

 

[Teras14]

Update:
Hi guys, need new advice.
In the end of my first cycle I had muscle spasms (I use Arimidex). During the second cycle I had muscle spasms again. I thought that I have insufficient Mg, Ca, and so on, but supplements did not help. After 5 week of my second cycle I reduced AI dose (as discussed above) and I felt a little relief. I have not heard that low E2 is responsible for muscle spasms but I give it a try and discontinued AI use for 4 days and spasms disappeared. Is that a coincidence? Any ideas?