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98jeep

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So here's my story... Been on TRT for 2 years now and having erection issues. This started happening about a year ago. Most of the time I have to use an ED med. My libido isn't what it used to be either... I'm on injections of Test-C 200mg every 10 days. 50 mg zinc to control Est. My last blood test was 6 days after injection and my T levels were at 720 and Est 28.

Stress is fairly high in relationship (kids that won't sleep/demand all of my attention) and work. My doc says it's due to the stress and not hormone related. Your thoughts??????
 
1) Have you tried using Cialis? 5mg daily works wonders! It is also good for your prostate and lowers blood pressure. Getting a prescription is really expensive. Many of us purchase it through RUI and it works great. See their ad at the top of your screen.

2). You are on a poor TRT protocol. If your E2 is at 28 six days after your last injection there is a very good chance that it is too high a couple of days after your injection when your TT is at its peak. You really should not be injecting once every 10 days. That puts your hormones on too much of a roller coaster ride. I would recommend trying injections every 5 days. No longer than once a week though. There are many of us here that get the best results from injecting twice a week. These keep TT and E2 levels nice and even.
 
Hey 98jeep I agree with Megatron, I too had serious issues with erection and libido prior to TRT. I am on 210mg week of test enanthate, HCG and Anastrozole. I do .5 cc every Tuesday night and .5 cc every Saturday morning. I like that split, no rollercoatser. Since being on morning wood could hammer nails into oak wood and erections are like I was 18 again.
Side note: I think its your hormones, my stress level is quite excessive with work and 3 yr old son. I know where your coming from. Get the TRT downa dn change injection and you will see a change. Good luck!
 
mightysatchmo said:
Hey 98jeep I agree with Megatron, I too had serious issues with erection and libido prior to TRT. I am on 210mg week of test enanthate, HCG and Anastrozole. I do .5 cc every Tuesday night and .5 cc every Saturday morning. I like that split, no rollercoatser. Since being on morning wood could hammer nails into oak wood and erections are like I was 18 again.
Side note: I think its your hormones, my stress level is quite excessive with work and 3 yr old son. I know where your coming from. Get the TRT downa dn change injection and you will see a change. Good luck!
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How much HCG and when?
 
Megatron28 said:
1) Have you tried using Cialis?
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Yes... for some reason it takes anywhere from 1.5 to 2 hours before it works... sometimes is a mood killer as far as a spur of the moment "quickie"



Megatron28 said:
2). You are on a poor TRT protocol. If your E2 is at 28 six days after your last injection there is a very good chance that it is too high a couple of days after your injection when your TT is at its peak. You really should not be injecting once every 10 days. That puts your hormones on too much of a roller coaster ride. I would recommend trying injections every 5 days. No longer than once a week though. There are many of us here that get the best results from injecting twice a week. These keep TT and E2 levels nice and even.
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Dr won't do anything shorter than 10 days... it was 14 days until I had a meltdown at work and almost got fired and divorced in the same week... 10 days is better.... but if I go E5D how much should I go with? 100 mg(.5 cc)? He did mention an AI instead of the zinc. Which one is "best" (yes i know it may be a relative question :)? And how much \ how often?

Sorry for the NOOB question... but what is HCG actually for?

Thanks!
 
98jeep said:
Yes... for some reason it takes anywhere from 1.5 to 2 hours before it works... sometimes is a mood killer as far as a spur of the moment "quickie"





Dr won't do anything shorter than 10 days... it was 14 days until I had a meltdown at work and almost got fired and divorced in the same week... 10 days is better.... but if I go E5D how much should I go with? 100 mg(.5 cc)? He did mention an AI instead of the zinc. Which one is "best" (yes i know it may be a relative question :)? And how much \ how often?

Sorry for the NOOB question... but what is HCG actually for?

Thanks!
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You have to take Cialis every day. It is supposed to take 1-3 hours to work. Just try taking 5mg every day in the morning and you should always be ready when the time comes. No planning ahead.

Zinc is virtually worthless for estradiol management. If your E2 is high and you can't change your dosing protocol you will need an AI. The problem with you adding an AI on your current protocol is that your E2 was fine on Day 6 or whenever you had labs done.

Why can't you just change the pinning frequency yourself? How would your doctor know assuming you self-inject. If you don't self-inject you need to demand that you are allowed to. If you are doing 200mg every 10 days you would just switch to 100mg every 5 days. Just do the math to take the same amount over the 10 day period. If you want to inject every 3.33 days it would be 67mg each injection for example.
 
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Sage advice as always Mega. OP: He's telling you exactly what most of us have had to figure out the hard way. Cialis will work wonders if taken daily by the way. The wife won't let me stop ordering it in fact. ;)
 
halfwit said:
Sage advice as always Mega. OP: He's telling you exactly what most of us have had to figure out the hard way. Cialis will work wonders if taken daily by the way. The wife won't let me stop ordering it in fact. ;)
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A bit overkill no?
Lol
super high Test with cialis?
 
Megatron28 said:
If you are doing 200mg every 10 days you would just switch to 100mg every 5 days. Just do the math to take the same amount over the 10 day period. If you want to inject every 3.33 days it would be 67mg each injection for example.
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I am pinning myself... the reason I ask is when the Dr had me on 200 mg / 2 weeks... I tried 100 mg / weekly. Big mistake. I felt like hell... lost size, strength, and captain happy was VERY sad even with cialis. I got a blood test on day 6 (day before next pin) and my test was @ 157! He said that running 100 mg wasn't enough to get my levels up... if I run 200 mg /week my levels are more like 900 before my next injection. He didn't like that so he agreed to every 10 days which puts me in the low 700's between injections.

I know there's got to be a happy middle but he won't prescribe more than 600 mg's per month total. There's not much I can do other than drive 75 miles to find another dr. I tried that and dude took my money and then tried to talk me out of TRT.

So... before I make any changes... When is the best time to get a blood test to see when T & E levels are peaking?
 
LittleJohnny said:
How about splitting the difference and pinning 150mg a week? Or better yet, 100mg every 5 days.
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I have already tried 100 mg every 7 days when the dr had me @ 200 mg every 14 days and it didn't work. I had a blood test done @ day 6 just before my next injection and my T was @ 157. Every 5 days may be better but I still don't want to get too low. It's hell. I'm going to see if he'll go up to 250 mg E10D. Then I'll split that and see.
 
98jeep said:
I am pinning myself... the reason I ask is when the Dr had me on 200 mg / 2 weeks... I tried 100 mg / weekly. Big mistake. I felt like hell... lost size, strength, and captain happy was VERY sad even with cialis. I got a blood test on day 6 (day before next pin) and my test was @ 157! He said that running 100 mg wasn't enough to get my levels up... if I run 200 mg /week my levels are more like 900 before my next injection. He didn't like that so he agreed to every 10 days which puts me in the low 700's between injections.

I know there's got to be a happy middle but he won't prescribe more than 600 mg's per month total. There's not much I can do other than drive 75 miles to find another dr. I tried that and dude took my money and then tried to talk me out of TRT.

So... before I make any changes... When is the best time to get a blood test to see when T & E levels are peaking?
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Not discounting your experience, but that doesn't add up. Some kind of error must have occurred there, no way could you be at 157ng/mL on 100mg per week....
 
Megatron28 said:
I agree. Math doesn't add up on this.
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That's the problem... nothing has been "normal" for me. I started TRT with Testopel. The gave me 12 pellets to start. They said this "typically" gets men to around 900 - 1000. I peaked out at 534. They gave me 16 next round. Peaked at 689. Then they quit carrying them so I went to Test C @ 200 mg / E14D. They tested me @ day 7 and I was @ 650 so they left it. That's when Mr. Johnson quit waking up. I got on some boards and read that pinning twice per week worked much better.... so without his advice/knowledge I did. Then it got worse so I went in for a blood test and it was down to 157. He asked WTF?! So I told him and he said to not do it. I then told him that at the end of the two weeks it was hell for me, wife, coworkers etc... so he went to E10D. Things are "better" but I still have to take Cialis to keep an erection. I can get one... but it goes down sometimes during sex and then the fight is on.... she starts asking if it's her... so I'm going to try to get him to go to 250 mg E10D and then do 125 E5D.... we'll see.
 
Chiefy said:
I agree with these guys, something aint right.

Are you sure you were drawing up the correct dose for the concentration of testosterone that you have?
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I don't know how it could be wrong.... .5 cc of 200 mg is 100 mg. Now... I have heard some of the local gym rats that they don't like the brand (yes it's pharma) I use and to go to a different pharmacy. I'm going to try that as well. My ins doesn't cover name brand only generics.
 
98jeep said:
I don't know how it could be wrong.... .5 cc of 200 mg is 100 mg. Now... I have heard some of the local gym rats that they don't like the brand (yes it's pharma) I use and to go to a different pharmacy. I'm going to try that as well. My ins doesn't cover name brand only generics.
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The brand of testosterone is probably not the issue. If it's pharma grade, there shouldn't be any issues.

I'm stumped man. I'm not an expert on TRT, but I've never heard of anyone's values being that low on 100mg/wk. Maybe you're just a rare case or something.

I don't mean to sound like I'm insulting you, but are you sure that you injected it correctly? Do you recall a bunch of oil leaking back out after your injections?

Just fishin for a possible answer here, as your situation is definitely not the norm.
 
98jeep said:
That's the problem... nothing has been "normal" for me. I started TRT with Testopel. The gave me 12 pellets to start. They said this "typically" gets men to around 900 - 1000. I peaked out at 534. They gave me 16 next round. Peaked at 689. Then they quit carrying them so I went to Test C @ 200 mg / E14D. They tested me @ day 7 and I was @ 650 so they left it. That's when Mr. Johnson quit waking up. I got on some boards and read that pinning twice per week worked much better.... so without his advice/knowledge I did. Then it got worse so I went in for a blood test and it was down to 157. He asked WTF?! So I told him and he said to not do it. I then told him that at the end of the two weeks it was hell for me, wife, coworkers etc... so he went to E10D. Things are "better" but I still have to take Cialis to keep an erection. I can get one... but it goes down sometimes during sex and then the fight is on.... she starts asking if it's her... so I'm going to try to get him to go to 250 mg E10D and then do 125 E5D.... we'll see.
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The ED problems you are describing sound like they are caused by high estradiol. Going soft during sex is a common problem when E2 is high.

So when you were injecting twice a week (every 3.5 days) how many milligrams were you doing for each injection? And over what time period did you do that? How much AI were you using and what was your E2 at?
 
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