Should I Cycle? College Athlete

[tactical tachyon]

Hey guys, been lurking and researching on here for quite a while, but now I have some questions that require specifically tailored responses.

I have seen plenty of threads with noobs asking about cycles where you guys have not hesitated to tell people that they should simply not use, so I hope I can get some replies with that level of honesty.

My situation:
I am a college athlete (lacrosse) in my senior year. About to turn 22. I have been lifting since about 16, and been able to become more serious and regimented as I have figured out what works best for me over the past few years and with the help of college weight training coaches. I have been able to add about ~5 lbs a year since my senior year of high school, although I have found adding mass particularly difficult. I also travel a lot and go several months a year on only light or no workouts
I am currently
5'8/9"
150 lbs
about 10 or 11% bf
current lifts:
bench 200 (have maxed 225 sophomore year)
squat- 260
hang clean- 190
rdl- not sure, usually rep 155 8-10x
40 yard- 4.6s
I have a relatively small frame, am in good shape but probably under my natural maxes atm.

Now I have never been a starter on my team, but I have seen decent playing time in the past. I don't think using roids will necessarily improve my spot on the team, but I am interested in it so I can have a little more power on my shot, scrapping for ground balls, hitting, explosiveness, and all around fitness.

We completed fall ball and now we are in the weightroom and on our own until we go full time in January. On my current schedule (3 days a week weights/2 cardio, wallball/shooting) I will get fit and get back to my natural maxes by the time practice rolls around. However, it's my senior year and I want to be bigger, stronger, and faster than I ever have been before aside from the marginal improvement I will have made from last year.

After a month of research, I have decided I want to do a cycle (pending advice from the community). I'd like to do one or two short cycles that will improve my size a bit but I am really looking more for overall utility here than pure mass. I will be mostly focusing on improving my powerlifts (esp squat) as that's been my weak area. I don't want incredible gains, just a solid boost beyond what creatine and no explode offer.

proposed cycle:
I have boiled it down to basically two options:
test prop 100 mg eod
mast 50mg eod
20 days (10 ml of each)
clomid 2 weeks
or
d-bol 30 mg/day 3 weeks
clomid 2 weeks

possibly the d-bol cycle,3-4 weeks off, then the test prop/mast cycle? But that is it, I won't be using in the season and have no other plans or use to in the foreseeable future.
I don't really want to run cycles any longer than this unless it is with a more mild roid as the risk of sides just isn't worth it to me.

as far as diet goes, Mine is not perfect, it is decent, but I tend to be a conditionally motivated person, so if I make this investment, my diet will be in line with the program anyway.

So what do you guys think? Will this benefit me as far as my goals are concerned? Let me know if anything needs clarification, I didn't want to make the post too long.
Thanks

 

[China_Wall]

let me get this straight... u want to do a 20-day cycle of test prop and masteron???...

60 days maybe, but don't waste your time with a 20-day cycle bro... and DONT even consider the "dbol only cycle"... rethink your plan, how about just doing a "real" cycle after the lacrosse season

 

[joeyh1991]

well those cycles will do very little if anything for you. imo id say run equipoise for 16 weeks at 600mg a week its not gonna give you huge gains but it will give you good, solid and more keepable gains. it will raise your appetite a lil more also to help with those gains its a slow but stedy growth with very little sides. id say that would b the way to go in your situation. thats just my opinion as the smartest thing to do then the next would be testE or C but id go with eq. but alot of guys may disagree with my on the eq thing cuz some dont like that they dont get big gains with u it. but check out eq id say thats the way to go for ya! hope this helps!

 

[tactical tachyon]

I have seen a lot of promising stuff about eq, especially for what i am seeking... but 16 weeks just seems like an incredibly long time to run a cycle and as I just want to do this as a one time thing for functionality, that is more of a commitment than I want to make.
Also, I have seen lots of recommendations that you shouldn't cycle if you are under 24. Taking that advice seriously, I really don't want to go over 3-4 weeks on a cycle that will shut down my natural test for an extended period
I have read articles and posts that say 2 week cycles are fine... but It's not really clear if that is specified towards people who are doing extended repetitions of 2-4 week cycles or people who have been previously on for long periods.

 

[joeyh1991]

I have seen a lot of promising stuff about eq, especially for what i am seeking... but 16 weeks just seems like an incredibly long time to run a cycle and as I just want to do this as a one time thing for functionality, that is more of a commitment than I want to make.
Also, I have seen lots of recommendations that you shouldn't cycle if you are under 24. Taking that advice seriously, I really don't want to go over 3-4 weeks on a cycle that will shut down my natural test for an extended period
I have read articles and posts that say 2 week cycles are fine... but It's not really clear if that is specified towards people who are doing extended repetitions of 2-4 week cycles or people who have been previously on for long periods.

no they are not fine u will get nothing out of it but wasted money. the shortest cycle shoe be ATLEAST 8 weeks thats for short esters but like eq testE testC are long esters witch should b ran at a minimum of 12 weeks imo. i think alot of ppl will back me on this one. but u will get nothing with the cycle u are trien to run. my honest opinion is 16 weeks of eq. its great for ppl in your situation. but if u want to run a short three week cycle then have at it. just telling u the facts. 16 weeks is not crazy long at all.

 

[joeyh1991]

hopefuly other guys chime in and tell u its better to run a longer cycle so u dont just have to take my word for it.

 

[tactical tachyon]

how about anavar? perhaps an anavar/dbol or anavar/test prop stack? tell me more about eq... help me build a shorter cycle and we'll talk. I'll meet you half way, but 16 weeks is too long for my first cycle, period.

 

[tjkita]

Test Only

First of all 22 is too young. Use your natural testosterone and eat more to gain more muscle. If u do decide to do a cycle do test e only for your first time. This will let you know how your body reacts to the test, then later add more chemicals. In addition time on = time off. Do more research.

 

[China_Wall]

I have seen a lot of promising stuff about eq, especially for what i am seeking... but 16 weeks just seems like an incredibly long time to run a cycle and as I just want to do this as a one time thing for functionality, that is more of a commitment than I want to make.
Also, I have seen lots of recommendations that you shouldn't cycle if you are under 24. Taking that advice seriously, I really don't want to go over 3-4 weeks on a cycle that will shut down my natural test for an extended period
I have read articles and posts that say 2 week cycles are fine... but It's not really clear if that is specified towards people who are doing extended repetitions of 2-4 week cycles or people who have been previously on for long periods.

a 3-4 week cycle will shut u down the same as a 12 week cycle, but without the benefit of any gains... if u are dead-set on a short cycle do an 8-week test prop at least 100mg eod, then start your post cycle therapy (pct) a week after your last injection

 

[VirginMuscle]

No offense, but why are you guys giving him cycle advice when he doesn't know how to gain weight without gear. He's 150lbs. Even without weight training he would have probably put on that ~5lbs a year from natural growth.

 

[cisco-kidd]

No offense, but why are you guys giving him cycle advice when he doesn't know how to gain weight without gear. He's 150lbs. Even without weight training he would have probably put on that ~5lbs a year from natural growth.

Couldn't agree more!

You don't need gear son, you need to eat! You want more power, you want more mass...eat. Protein, protein and more protein. Food is waaaaay more anabolic than gear, not to mention you're going to have to feed more if you want to see anything from the gear use anyway. I know its tough to eat on a tight schedule, but thats no excuse. You can always get yourself a big bag of protein or even better, have a few eggs boiled and ready to go in the fridge. Eat on the fly. Honestly, you don't even need to be thinking about using gear.

 

[joeyh1991]

a 3-4 week cycle will shut u down the same as a 12 week cycle, but without the benefit of any gains... if u are dead-set on a short cycle do an 8-week test prop at least 100mg eod, then start your post cycle therapy (pct) a week after your last injection

agreed and yes this would probly be the shortest cycle u could go. any shorter would be a waste but, like i said if you want to keep more quality muscle then eq. but i can see u aint gonna listen to anyone.

 

[Mrdeb]

You are skinny man eat more train harder. stack a creatine with protein.

 

[bigherm2121]

Joey just cuz your young and cycle doesn't mean you should tell people to do it also. Just cuz your making a big mistake doesn't mean he should. Come on bro. This isn't the first time you've don't this. He's 150 Fucking pounds at 5'9. He's in no way shape or form ready for gear. I'm a little bit taller and i got 70 lbs on him. But there you go giving bad advice. Young or not no one 5'9 150lbs is ready for gear period. Think bro.

 

[bigherm2121]

agreed and yes this would probly be the shortest cycle u could go. any shorter would be a waste but, like i said if you want to keep more quality muscle then eq. but i can see u aint gonna listen to anyone.

Regardless what he takes he's not gonna keep shit. If he can't even get to 180 at his age with his already high natty levels how's he going to do it with gear he isn't. All your doing is giving him advice to stunt his growth plates and fuck his whole body up his senior year. Your gonna mess your nuts up your senior year in college. Good like with the messed up erections with the ladies. They love that!!!

 

[slair]

re

couldn't agree more with herm here....5'9 150, hasnt properly dieted or trained, on top of that has obviously done zero research. How's gear gonna help him besides fuck him up for life.

imo no one should ever begin using steroids until they have accepted the very real possibility of needing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life post cycle.

 

[joeyh1991]

sorry u guys i was just givin him some cycle info... since he didnt know what he was talkin about. but yes your right he should gain more natty only bn 150. dont mean to steer him in the wrong direction just trien to tell him what would b the best way to go imo IF he did. my apologies guys.

 

[tactical tachyon]

gee guys, I am not that ignorant
I have been taking creatine, protein, mass gainer, and other supplements for years with decent results. I get pretty ripped and can usually put up to 10 lbs over my baseline weight before season starts, but at that point we are practicing every day and not lifting as much and I usually lose some of the weight I've gained and my maxes drop back down by the end of the season. I probably consume over 100g of protein a day along with tons of water while I'm on creatine. I eat copious amounts but since my metabolism is absurd, even if I just had lunch and go to class I will be hungry by the time class gets out. I guess I will work on this before I consider any further measures

anyway the response here seems to be an unequivocal "no", so I guess I will back off it for now, try to streamline my caloric intake and produce like I always do

I have been researching, but since you guys think I haven't at all, why don't you point me towards some of your sources

Thanks DUDES

 

[Jonathan2011]

Lads,

Looking to do a first cycle. 33 years old and have been training for 5 years. Eat like a horse 6 times a day.

Should I do a "test only" cycle to start with and run for 10 - 12 weeks or should I stack with something else like Deca.

What should I take if I feel Gyno coming on.....

Thanks people for you advise.

 

[bigherm2121]

gee guys, I am not that ignorant
I have been taking creatine, protein, mass gainer, and other supplements for years with decent results. I get pretty ripped and can usually put up to 10 lbs over my baseline weight before season starts, but at that point we are practicing every day and not lifting as much and I usually lose some of the weight I've gained and my maxes drop back down by the end of the season. I probably consume over 100g of protein a day along with tons of water while I'm on creatine. I eat copious amounts but since my metabolism is absurd, even if I just had lunch and go to class I will be hungry by the time class gets out. I guess I will work on this before I consider any further measures

anyway the response here seems to be an unequivocal "no", so I guess I will back off it for now, try to streamline my caloric intake and produce like I always do

I have been researching, but since you guys think I haven't at all, why don't you point me towards some of your sources

Thanks DUDES

dude I respect you a ton for your decision. Not.many people your age take that advice. See 3j in the diet section. Hell put some meat on you. I'm actually a client as of right now. Chen him out