Shoulder Injuries?

ScottyDoc

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The most common shoulder injury is the rotator cuff muscles. The two most common mechanisms of rotator cuff injuries for weight lifters are from behind the neck military presses, and from the bench press. Both of these exercises put strain on the rotator cuff muscles, especially if already weakened and/or performed improperly.

The rotator cuff has clinical importance because subsequent tearing of its tendons is a rather common pathology which results in restriction of the shoulder movement. The cuff is composted of four muscles, known as the SITS muscles: supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, and subscapularis.

VERY IMPORTANT - If a rupture of the rotator cuff muscle(s) is suspected, please see your primary health care provider or schedule and appointment with an orthopedist to have it properly examined.

If it is a sprain/strain injury, then the following are a few tips on rehabilitating the injured rotator cuff muscle(s). I recommend extremely light weights (surgical tubing/band work being my preference). This is a perfect example of less resistance and higher repetitionss being most beneficial, as these are very small, thin muscles that are not designed to be exercised for size and strength. They are quite vulnerable to injury, so treat them that way and by exercising them for endurance and stability, which is exactly what they are designed for. My recommendation is three sets, ranging between thirty and forty repetitions for the four rotator cuff exercises described below (no breaks or rest period required between sets or exercises). I typically instruct my patients to do one set of each exercise, then start over until three sets of each exercise has been achieved. These exercises should be performed at least every other day, three to four days a week for six weeks.

First, attach a band to fixed point at the approximate height between your waist and your shoulder. Next, stand at a point of tension facing away from the band’s attachment point, arm extended out from the shoulder and forearm flexed at the elbow (90 degree angle) so your fist is pointing straight up. Then internally rotate arm at the shoulder joint against band resistance. This motion should be similar to the forward motion of the arm when throwing a football. The second exercise is the exact opposite, with the arm in the exact same position, but now facing the point of band attachment, you are going to externally rotate the arm at the shoulder joint against band resistance. This motion should be similar to the backwards motion of cocking back to throw a football. The next two exercises are opposites of each other as well, and can be used without changing the position of the band. With your arm down at your side and your forearm flexed at the elbow (90 degree angle) and facing away from the band’s point of attachment, internally rotate arm at the shoulder joint against band resistance (internal rotation is rotating inward towards the body). For the next exercise, while facing the band’s attachment point with arm in the exact same position, externally rotate arm at the shoulder joint against resistance (external rotation is rotating outward away from the body).

These above mentioned exercises are also very good warm-up exercises for the rotator cuff to prevent injury. If prone to these types of injuries, you should perform these exercises before every chest and shoulder workout. Also, it is quite common to have chronic rotator cuff injuries and pain due to incorrect posture; the most common is a slump or forward shoulder carriage. What makes this so common is the over-working of the chest muscles, without proper stretching, causing them to overpower their protagonist muscles (rear deltoids, rotator cuff, trapezius, rhomboids, & latissimus dorsi muscles). Therefore, proper stretching of the chest muscles, both before and after workouts, is quite important in preventing rotator cuff problems as well.

Sorry for no pictures, I will try to either find some online or scan them in on my computer and add them to later posts. If you have any questions or comments please feel free to share!
 
Hey guys, besides the exercises I listed in my original thread, here are a few other things you can try that seem to work really well. If you have access to a pool, get in pool and with both arms extended straight out in front of the body do inward and outward circles with elbows locked out, therefore using shoulder joint. (Wax on... wax off young Daniel Son!) These exercises can also be done with arms straight out away from the body like in the gymnastic iron cross position, exact same inward and outward circles with elbows locked. If there is no access to a pool, these exercises can be performed using bands, attach band to a fixed location and facing the fixed location with arm extended outward in front of body perform inward and outward rotations, then same thing with right and left sides facing the fixed location perform inward and outward circles. The bands provide similar resistance as experienced in the pool, pool is the best, it is more natural. Hope these additional exercises help... "Keep on keeping on!"es the exercises I listed in my thread, here are a few other things you can try that seem to work really well. If you have access to a pool, get in pool and with both arms extended straight out in front of the body do inward and outward circles with elbows locked out, therefore using shoulder joint. (Wax on... wax off young Daniel Son!) These exercises can also be done with arms straight out away from the body like in the gymnastic iron cross position, exact same inward and outward circles with elbows locked. If there is no access to a pool, these exercises can be performed using bands, attach band to a fixed location and facing the fixed location with arm extended outward in front of body perform inward and outward rotations, then same thing with right and left sides facing the fixed location perform inward and outward circles. The bands provide similar resistance as experienced in the pool, pool is the best, it is more natural. Hope these additional exercises help... "Keep on keeping on!"ides the exercises I listed in my thread, here are a few other things you can try that seem to work really well. If you have access to a pool, get in pool and with both arms extended straight out in front of the body do inward and outward circles with elbows locked out, therefore using shoulder joint. (Wax on... wax off young Daniel Son!) These exercises can also be done with arms straight out away from the body like in the gymnastic iron cross position, exact same inward and outward circles with elbows locked. If there is no access to a pool, these exercises can be performed using bands, attach band to a fixed location and facing the fixed location with arm extended outward in front of body perform inward and outward rotations, then same thing with right and left sides facing the fixed location perform inward and outward circles. The bands provide similar resistance as experienced in the pool, pool is the best, it is more natural. Hope these additional exercises help... "Keep on keeping on!"
 
what shoulder exercise can be done to retain and gain mass and strength,(post injury and recovery) but also can be done with minimal rotation of the shoulder cuff?(I feel grinding in any exercise i do. high reps with low weight, and heavy weights at low reps BOTH will flare up my shoulder) ive hurt my shoulders so many times, i think ive scared it internally and pernamently. it also appears to be a genetic problem and I want to minimize further damage.

cant do pressesany more...or uprights rows... or lateral raises , with out pissing of my shoulder for a week or 2.
lately ive been doing a a variation of front shoulder raise(but instead of doing 10 reps a set like i used to..i just do 3 reps, and holding up in the air for 10 secs for each rep. and lots of shoulder shrugs.

I have no insurance..so surgery is out of the question for me . i think its something i have to learn to deal with, my shoulders seem pretty effed. should I keep doing what Im doing now? a I will start doing your exercize you described on my chest and shrug days as a warm up. any other ideas or excericizes u can recomend me?

and hey...are you a physical therapist?
 
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No PT, I'm a Chiropractor. Damn dude, you are really making it hard on me. I mean no insurance, no getting an MRI or possibility for surgery and if it's hurting you as bad as you say, I am personally scared (for your sake) to recommend anything! Does it hurt you when you do chest day or any other upper body day, how about when it is being stretched or extended with weight doing back day? I ask, because when mine was injured, it hurt after a good back day as well! About the only thing I can safely recommend at this point is the RICE (R=rest, I=ice, C=compression, E=elevation) and some stretching and maybe some ranges of motion exercises in water or with very, I mean very light band resistance. These will help keep you from losing ROM (Range of Motion) or getting "Frozen Shoulder" syndrome. Good luck bro, wish I could be of more assistance!
 
there is so much going on in the shoulder joint it many ligaments and tendants with the widest range of motion of any ball and joint socket.You need an MRI a partial or full tear of the acl in the shoulder is only corrected with surgery,a tweak or strain time will heal with some help from deca,eq or some other AAS.But a shoulder injury is the most common training injury-get to a doc you will only make it worse if a partial tear good luck
 
it doesnt hurt now. and I get no pain from stretching. pain comes from bench pressing more than 205, shoulder pressing more than 45 lbs DBs, and Upright rowing more than 105. doing any of these will flare up my shoulder

it does not even necearly hurt imediatly during the excerize. but the next day and next week or so after, it will. the use of the muscles in frontal and lateral delts heads hurt. but NOT the anterior.

shoulder motions that start with my hands from my side of my body, ( in anatomical position but with palms facing the thighs) and rise either straight out in front or to the side are the most painful during this time, but generally any morement will feel uncomfortable during this time. I think the lateral delt msucle is litle more sensitive to pain than the front and hurst more. but.. I am able to feel humerous head grinding against something. its as if the head of humerous grinds straight onto bone or cartilidge from heavy excerize, and causes it to swell internally, making it hurt later. this is the best way i can describe it.



i guess ill check it out in a few years when im forced to get insurance. ill just do keep doing shrugs until then to avoid further injury
 
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I have most recently started having shoulder problems in my right shoulder. It started hurting when I would do bench press. I told one of the trainers at the gym and he recommended doing bench on the smith machine. This actually worked (even though I look like a douche lol) and now I spend this workout on the SM everytime because I feel no pain.

Upright rows are out of the question. I can raise my left all the way up but my right always gives and I have a sharp pain right before I get to the top. It's really the only exercise that I have had a problem with, so I just dont do them at all.
 
Shaggz,

Sounds very, very similar to the injury I had, which landed up being the most commonly injured muscle of the rotator cuff (4) the Supraspinatus! That can only be partially determined by certain orthopedic muscle tests and truly 100% determined by an MRI as mentioned above. I cannot professionally say if what you have is a partial tear or just a sprain/strain injury, I can only hope it is the lesser...(sprain/strain) Either way, one exercise I would recommend you stop immediately is the upright rows, free weight or cable, they always hurt me the most when I had my sprain/strain of the supraspinatus. Besides, that I recommend you take at least 4 wks off, using my RICE therapy and some very simple stretches/ROM exercises just to keep it from possibly freezing up and then see where you stand from there! If there is zero improvement, I would have to say more than likely partial to full tear, need surgical attention to fully recover. If you notice a tiny improvement, either keep up what you are doing until it is better or again seek medical attention. If it is significantly better, then either give it a few more weeks continuing what you are doing or if feeling much better then start lifting again, but slowly, and I mean slowly adding the poundage, you do not want this to keep happening or become a serious chronic condition or you will need surgery, tear or not, scar tissue can be just as bad! I wish you the best of luck, wish I could magically help you my friend, but without an MRI... knowing exactly what is going on in there is only and educated guess!
 
thanks for the insight. Im actually on my through school to be a chiropractor or physical therapist..so hopefully I can have a understanding and knowldge for myself of how the rotator cuff works someday... and insurance, so I can get a damn MRI!
thanks again scotty
 
very interesting. Its rare a doctor actually takes the time to learn specific exercises. kudos. I'm a PT and used to an ortho doc expecting us to "fix it" and not really caring the specifics..lol..
 
I have a shoulder problem, happened about 1 1/2 yrs ago. I had MRI done and Dr. said not torn... I was on Vicodin for a couple months with RICE therapy. I still have recurring pain in the shoulder (depending what Im doing, and position), but it generally subsides without prolonged pain, which I actually believe is a torn rotator cuff (going against the Dr). The main exercise that hurts like a son of a bitch is Incline Bench, almost at any weight, but some days are worse than others. Sometimes I can get through it and sometimes I have to hit the Hammer Strength Incline (cuz I alternate dumbell with barbell). Dumbell Incline does not bother the shoulder at all and I have actually been increasing my weights weekly on that currently up to 85lbs with no pain. Flat Bench Press hurts sometimes but not while exercising, its usually once I finish a set when I get the weight off my muscles (racked). Military Press ocassionally hurts, so I quit trying to go up in weight there unless I have a spot. I can do Military Press on the Smith, but it still hurts on occasion and especially when I go heavy.

Any suggestions for kind of remediation? Or do I just simply have to live with it?
 
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