Shutdown BAD, what to do?

[0gge1]

I have done 8 anavar cycles the last 4 years with nolva pct. Feeling the past year that the motivation, lidibo, the spark in life is not there.

Last cycle was 70mg anavar for 60 days with POWER PCT protocol. ( Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) , Nolva, Clomid )

Now 10weeks after PCT i had bloodwork done. It read 199ng/dl (very low!)

My plan is to cut out the steroids for life and get my life back.

What would you recommend me to do? Wait a couple of months and hope for it to raise natural or should i do an second pct? (Before i have another bloodwork done)

All answers is appreciated.

 

[DreDay187]

What are the other numbers from your blood panels? What were your numbers before cycling? A new pct with nolva/clomid and maybe some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should help restart your endogenous test production

 

[Trust_]

What was your test at BEFORE?
Sounds like you were already low test or borderline.
I doubt 2 Anavar (var) cycles per year would shut you down permanently.
I would try clomids again, 100mg for 2 weeks then 50 mg for another 2, have another blood test 2 weeks later and see how it goes...
I really think you were low to begin with. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) might be for you IF after a long time, and tried a few things, you still are that low.
How old are you btw?

 

[Metalhead]

I would say run another pct. Clomid/nolva, with bloodwork afterwards and hope everything restarts, but if it doesnt, youll probably have to bite the bullet and try to get on trt

 

[0gge1]

What are the other numbers from your blood panels? What were your numbers before cycling? A new pct with nolva/clomid and maybe some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should help restart your endogenous test production

What other numbers would you like to know?

 

[0gge1]

What was your test at BEFORE?
Sounds like you were already low test or borderline.
I doubt 2 Anavar (var) cycles per year would shut you down permanently.
I would try clomids again, 100mg for 2 weeks then 50 mg for another 2, have another blood test 2 weeks later and see how it goes...
I really think you were low to begin with. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) might be for you IF after a long time, and tried a few things, you still are that low.
How old are you btw?

Anavar (var) cycles have been 60-100 days, range 40-70mg/ed.
I have scheduled bloodwork in 2 months, Do you think clomid only will help? Or should i add anything?

Im 25 years.

 

[bonexyster]

Id run a few natural products this time also daa and stoked possibly adding vitrix if sex drive is low, but i would deff run some high clomid maybe 100 for 2 weeks then 75 then 50 id keep the nolva kind of low being your already somewhat producing, murdering your estrogen cant help your situation.

 

[juced_porkchop]

I have done 8 anavar cycles the last 4 years with nolva pct. Feeling the past year that the motivation, lidibo, the spark in life is not there.

Last cycle was 70mg anavar for 60 days with POWER PCT protocol. ( Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) , Nolva, Clomid )

Now 10weeks after PCT i had bloodwork done. It read 199ng/dl (very low!)

My plan is to cut out the steroids for life and get my life back.

What would you recommend me to do? Wait a couple of months and hope for it to raise natural or should i do an second pct? (Before i have another bloodwork done)

All answers is appreciated.

if you did Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while in PCT that probably messed you up...
HCG just BEFORE PCT, then PCT of clomid and tamox..

also see this: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html

 

[juced_porkchop]

Id run a few natural products this time also daa and stoked possibly adding vitrix if sex drive is low, but i would deff run some high clomid maybe 100 for 2 weeks then 75 then 50 id keep the nolva kind of low being your already somewhat producing, murdering your estrogen cant help your situation.

nolva or clomid DONT lower estrogen, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) does.

and i would not rec 100mg of clomid for more than a couple days personally.

 

[juced_porkchop]

I would say run another pct. Clomid/nolva, with bloodwork afterwards and hope everything restarts, but if it doesnt, youll probably have to bite the bullet and try to get on trt

trt may be an option you have to look at.

 

[DreDay187]

if you did Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while in PCT that probably messed you up...
HCG just BEFORE PCT, then PCT of clomid and tamox..

also see this: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html

I see what you're saying here and I know your views regarding Swale but he actually recommends Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during PCT for the "power PCT". I tend to agree with you though since Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive in and of itself

 

[DreDay187]

What other numbers would you like to know?

LH and estradiol to begin with!

 

[0gge1]

LH and estradiol to begin with!

Im in europe so we measure nmol/l

P-Testo.Total - 6.5 nmol/L ( Range 7,6 - 31 )
P-Shbg 17 ( Range 10-80 )
Test/Shbg - 0.39

Other panels was bloodfats and such, all in range

 

[SicVic]

nolva or clomid DONT lower estrogen, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) does.

and i would not rec 100mg of clomid for more than a couple days personally.

why???

 

[abusedyam]

clomid can have nasty sides at high doses