So how big of a change does one cycle make exactlY?

Spoonie

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I mean let's assume I'm eating 5k calories a day, training very hard, and making hte most of it.

After it's all said and done, PCT is completed, are the results really that noticeable?

Can one expect to go from a pretty good physique to an elite one? Or is more of a subtle gain.

Edit : Obviously this is really vague. But I've been training for 3-4 years. I'm 6'2 200 pounds 9-10% body fat range and just sick and tired of not being able to progress. Naturally an ecto.
 
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I wouldn't expect miracles, a 25 lb weight gain is acheivable if all is done right, everone is different so hard to say, you can eat your ass off and gain but if your diet is junk your weight gain could be alot of fat
 
Well let's put it like this .. possible to gain an inch + on chest? half inch + on arm? 1/2 inch + on neck ?

Etc etc .. to me that would be pretty damn great.

25 pounds post pct is pretty incredible actually lol
 
Well let's put it like this .. possible to gain an inch + on chest? half inch + on arm? 1/2 inch + on neck ?

Etc etc .. to me that would be pretty damn great.

25 pounds post pct is pretty incredible actually lol

Its possible , with good gear, good diet, proper Aromatase inhibitor (AI), proper post cycle therapy (pct), proper training, proper diet during and after post cycle therapy (pct), all that then yes very possible
 
I, like alot of users dont care for what the scale says, rather I use the mirror. I would also rather have strength and hardness over size.
 
I too pay to much attention to the scale....only because I have sms....small man syndrome....no matter how much I grow I still feel like a tiny bitch ;)

the last two cycles I have put on 1" each time on my arms....the last two cycles total my chest went from 42" to currently 48"...

Its all about your diet

ps....I also dont have any abs anymore so when you pick your goals make sure your good with the effects
 
Cobra you aren't a tiny bitch, just my bitch. Lol. SMS you are funny. Cobra has gained some serious size in the last year.

There are too many variables to say what you can achieve. Besides all noted above, genetics, and how close you are to natural potential can effect this.

Most guys who eat right and train, rest properly gain 10-15lbs off a first cycle. Many guys gain 25-30 but not clean and harder to keep.

The thing to remember is each pound you gain you are changing your bodies caloric need. You also need to work on metabolism. If you can continue to eat enough to maintain the weight you gain, have a good pct to get your body working again, and can continue to train hard off cycle you should only lose 4-5 pounds of water and keep the rest. Then you train natural until you start to get some growth and then you can cycle again.

Many guys stop eating and training off cycle and lose motivation so they lose gains. I have found that for me, making slow gains and slowly adjusting my diet has made it easier for me to maintain gains off cycle. I've tried the gain as much as possible thing and I then struggle to keep the weight. I just can't eat 6-10k cals a day. So I stay around 3500-4000 and slowly make gains. I have added 30lbs this year without adding to BF. But only because I dropped weight to build back up so I'm not 30lbs heavier then last year, I was already this size but put it on too fast for me to keep up with so I dropped down then did added it back over 7 months. Now that I'm off, I plan to keep the size and maybe drop just a few pounds but I now rely more on the mirror and less on the scale. I honestly don't care what I weigh as long as I like how I look. And at this point I'm looking to maintain muscle, keep BF low without really working to hard, and staying healthy. I'm not concerned about being the biggest guy around.

Cobra you will get sick of that scale after you hit the weight you have in your mind. Every time you post a pic you look bigger and better so don't worry about the scale as much.

Point of post was you can expect to make better gains than you could in a years time if you do things right but you need to give your body time to adjust. Adding 30lbs in 8-10 weeks isn't normal and that's why a lot of guys yo yo up and down in weight.
 
as others have said there are a lot of variables.. but one things for sure.. the higher above your natural potential you get the harder it is to gain.
 
I, like alot of users dont care for what the scale says, rather I use the mirror. I would also rather have strength and hardness over size.

Agreed, when people look at me I want them to think I look solid and powerful not just big. Besides I actually want to be solid and powerful not just big.
 
Im a little taller than you and even if you do everything right, the weight gained from one cycle on our frame is not insanely noticeable.

You will look bigger, better but don't expect anything crazy off one cycle
 
If you gain 20lbs in a 12-14 week cycle, no matter how tall you are, you better be ready to make up excuses of how you're not on steroids... People will notice. Lol
 
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