So i'm going to run tren for the first time but I have some questions

[goingtowin]

First i've never done anything but test. I'm on trt and i've bumped up my doses to 500mg/week and blasted for as long as 14 weeks.

I do not see many results at ALL as far as muscle gain.. I just bloat up and gain some fat. i'm thinking that because i'm on trt my body just doesn't respond to test very well? Any opinions? My diet is good and I've gained but it's not much using just test. Yes I use an AI and please don't turn this into a diet thread.

Not my question is IF my bloodwork is okay can I just throw some tren in right now for 6-8weeks? I've currently been blasting at 500mg for 10 weeks and i'm about to stop because once again barely any results. But i'd like to lower my test and throw some tren in.


What kind of dosages should I be looking at for first cycle? How far should I drop my test?

test has never really given me bad sides so I think i'll be okay to not take a long break before using tren. If you think a break is truly needed just let me know.

 

[mudflat]

Take the Tren, dose it at 500 and the test at 250 for a good cycle.

 

[49ER]

Test 250mg ew
Tren ace 100mg eod nice simple very effective stack

 

[Roush]

if test does not do well for you then just go back to your TRT protocol and leave it there, don't worry about blasting more test or needing to up the dose for any reason.

in regards to the tren , like 9er said, tren ace 100mg Eod

 

[goingtowin]

so 100mg eod is enough to see good results on tren? i'll bump the test down to like 200/week to keep my sex drive up.

do you think it's g2g even after I just got done with 500mg/week? blood work is okay though.



ALSO I want to go big on this cycle.. want to put on some serious size... you think adding dbol is safe? anything else to go along with the tren? or would that be too liver toxic

 

[49ER]

Tren is the strongest shit we use save orals for another time. I think you will get amazing results as long as you train hard. Tren ace transforms your look like nothing ive ever seen, Yes 100mg eod is plenty

 

[tx045]

You say you bumped test dose did you bump calories

 

[Roush]

you think adding dbol is safe? anything else to go along with the tren? or would that be too liver toxic

Tren does not aromatize. one of the perks of running tren with a low dose of test is you don't have to worry about aromatization and estrogen issues. Dbol aromatizes to estrogen a ton, so if you go adding that in , now you have to run an AI and deal with those issues*.
personally I'd just keep it simple your first go and run tren only. IF you were dead set on adding another compound, then go with another non aromatizing one like Mast.



*that's not to say I don't ever run Dbol with Tren, i do . just saying sometimes its nice to just run the tren with low dose test and not have to run an AI or worry about estrogen sides.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Please what are your compete stats ? This always helps us help and answer your Q's

 

[49ER]

Tren does not aromatize. one of the perks of running tren with a low dose of test is you don't have to worry about aromatization and estrogen issues. Dbol aromatizes to estrogen a ton, so if you go adding that in , now you have to run an AI and deal with those issues*.
personally I'd just keep it simple your first go and run tren only. IF you were dead set on adding another compound, then go with another non aromatizing one like Mast.



*that's not to say I don't ever run Dbol with Tren, i do . just saying sometimes its nice to just run the tren with low dose test and not have to run an AI or worry about estrogen sides.

I have always found life is so much easier running non aromatizing compounds especially for the non experienced

 

[goingtowin]

So i've never really thought about it but will high water retention actually feel and look like fat? Like pinching your abdominal fat? I never really thought of it that way.. figured all of the water was held in your muscles.

I'm constantly wondering if I just have a lot of water retention or if i'm just getting fat haha.

Can water retention hide your definition like having high BF would? Like hide your abbs?

 

[Roush]

So i've never really thought about it but will high water retention actually feel and look like fat? Like pinching your abdominal fat? I never really thought of it that way.. figured all of the water was held in your muscles.

I'm constantly wondering if I just have a lot of water retention or if i'm just getting fat haha.

Can water retention hide your definition like having high BF would? Like hide your abbs?

inter cellular water retention (along with glycogen) in the muscles is a good thing , thats how you fill out a muscle , get hard and make your skin tight . this is wanted

subcutaneous water held under the skin is unwanted water weight. it makes you look soft, smooth, fat, non vascular. and yes if you pinch your skin it will be like fat. it will hide abs and definition.

 

[Ziegler]

I have always found life is so much easier running non aromatizing compounds especially for the non experienced

Only problem with that to consider is whether or not you have enough extra hair on your head to cover up what you might shed.

 

[Teutonic]

MUDFLAT--what the fuck s wrong you ?
Telling a newbie to START w 500 is un f cool.
49 er Roush are correct OP.

Dbol is the anti cut unless the Michelin man is who you wanna be a serious ai will be needed.
Now if your running 500 test and not gaining AT ALL ur training and or diet are not on point. I m not going to turn it into a diet thread sir but but with 500 test and an ai something s amiss.
A photo or stat s would be beneficial but 49 ers dose is a good plan and if your diet INCLUSIVE enough with cal s to maintain what you got or better and more food tren will change you quickly but it s not a miracle drug but it damn near.
Acetate----- in case tren intolerance looms. Good call.
Dropping test will help shed water AND ASSIST THE TREN IN LEANING YOU OUT AND STAYING anabolic. I LOVE IT BUT DO LIL GIRL CYCLE S W IT

 

[soldier74]

Man from your history with aas, which doesn't sound like you have a ton of experience, I can't recommend tren OP. Yeah, it's a great compound and can help u tremendously in achieving results if diet n training are on point but it's a hell of a leap up from what u have used to this point. If u do decide to run tren, for the love of all things worth living for, keep your dose low. I will recommend mast tho. Kinda like trens little bro. I've used it and get great results with really no sides to speak of except libido increase...and I'll take that all day every day!! Lol. Itz your body OP, I just thought I'd share my opinion being that tren ISNT REALLY NECESSARY for what u want to achieve. Good luck mane!

 

[Roush]

If u do decide to run tren, for the love of all things worth living for, keep your dose low. I will recommend mast tho. Kinda like trens little bro.

not bad advice here . could hold off on Tren for a bit and give a moderate dosage of Mast a try with a low dose of test.
200mg test
600mg mast

Fom my experience, you will have virtually no negative side effects with this stack or water retention issues and tons of bloat or gyno.
Now are you going to blow up and get huge , no. it would be slow steady clean gains. the type of gains that towards the end of you cycle you will want to cut and lower your Bf % to get a real idea of the muscle you put on.

if you decide to go all out , sure you can add in a small amount of tren ace at like 100mg Eod. does not get much better then Tren/mast stack. and if you have issues with the Tren that you don't like , you can just pull it out and keep on going with the Masteron. the tren ace will clear your system in a few days

 

[oldmusclemike]

So your stats ?? WTF

 

[Teutonic]

..another 3 ms of my life spent on a ghost whose probly hoping to pin tren and have ab s like my Mom...Oma s ripped boy s; 78 and walk s 90 ms at 5-6 mph rain sleet rain snow.

German rule...ewh we tried.

 

[Milton]

any stats for us?

 

[appleton111]

Did you ever post your stats op? looking forward to those.