Some advice for going on TRT

[Sig1911]

First is a bit of my history followed by my question that I need some advice with.
Im 35, a couple years ago I did an at home hormone panel saliva test because I felt I had symptoms of low T. It wasn't as low as I expected it to be, it came back in the low 300's. From what I had read a Dr wouldn't think that is low enough to prescribe testosterone.
So I opted to try and bump my test up by doing a couple 12 week cycles of test-E @ 600mg. I included HCG as well. After my first cycle's PCT was completed my test was up to mid 400's. About 6-7 months later I did the same exact cycle but my test didn't even get into the 500's after PCT.
So recently I decided to go with an equivalent weekly dose of test prop for 10 weeks.
I'm nearing the end, my mid cycle bloods came back at 1150ng.
Assuming that the results at the end of PCT won't be much different than before, and the test levels will be pathetic I've started to think about TRT for the long haul again. I love how I feel on cycle.
I don't have insurance but I have a decent enough income to pay out of pocket, however the blood work is going to cost a shit ton.
I went to my Dr last week and got blood work referral to get taken care of soon. I thought I'd use my current cycle to my advantage as the prop works it's way out of my system during the beginning of PCT but before my natty levels return to their 'normal' I could submit my bloodwork at that point to show below ~200ng.
My question is when exactly would be the most opportune time after my last pin to do the bloodwork so that it's not too low but not too high. How quickly do natty levels return from prop?
Thanks for the help.

 

[Megatron28]

I am not going to help you with how to con your doctor into thinking you have hypogonadism, but I will tell you it is very difficult if your doctor has any knowledge about how the HPTA works. It isn't just showing low TT. You know to get your LH and FSH lined up as well and you will have to provide at least two sets of blood work to confirm the hypogonadism.

I will tell you though that my signature below points you toward where to get cheap and fast blood work without having to go through a doctor. You can get the Hormone Panel for Females (which is for men too) for about $50. You get results back in a day or two. I go there and bring the results to my doctor. I just explain how much cheaper they are and he is understanding.

 

[Sig1911]

Thanks,
Yea, that's how I'd been getting my bloods. I told the Dr. about them and he wanted to see his lab's results. Which is fine....just going to cost me more.

 

[Sig1911]

He's not a very understanding Dr, kind of a bitch actually.
I went to another Dr when I had what I thought was a reaction to the oil in the test-E.
Explained to that Dr what I was administering and what my goal was. He said I could always go back to him if I wanted to go the route of using a Dr. But I'm still willing to bet if my levels are too high then they won't/can't help me.

 

[mightysatchmo]

Im on TRT, if you wanted your levels to rise and be steady you should have mimmicked TRT doses at 200 mg a week not cycle doses at 600mg.

 

[Sig1911]

Maybe I didn't explain well enough. But my plan was try and avoid TRT by just cycling a few time with the hopes of bumping my test up permanently. I think the hcg has done most of the work there however.
My thought now, as either a backup in case this round of prop doesn't bump my test up OR if I decided to bite the bullet and just go on TRT before the end of this cycle.
I just wanted my levels to show low, but not super low.

 

[Chiefy]

Maybe I didn't explain well enough. But my plan was try and avoid TRT by just cycling a few time with the hopes of bumping my test up permanently. I think the hcg has done most of the work there however.
My thought now, as either a backup in case this round of prop doesn't bump my test up OR if I decided to bite the bullet and just go on TRT before the end of this cycle.
I just wanted my levels to show low, but not super low.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. Exogenous testosterone suppresses your natural testosterone production.

 

[Sig1911]

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. Exogenous testosterone suppresses your natural testosterone production.

Actually and fortunately, you're wrong. It has worked for many. If it hasn't worked as such for someone then they are the exception. Anyone who has cycled properly, included hcg and followed up with a proper pct plan and time off between has likely increased their bodies natural test.

The problem with me specifically is I was low to begin with, and the increases I'm seeing aren't sufficient for my liking

Do you have anything of an actual helpful nature to reply with? Or are you just the guy who likes to tell people they are wrong? Cause that's cool too bro, every board has/needs at least one

 

[Chiefy]

PCT is a different story. TRT will not permanently increase your testosterone though.

 

[Sig1911]

PCT is a different story. TRT will not permanently increase your testosterone though.

What?
No one said TRT would do such things.
Cycling will.
I would say just re-read the OP, but the one question that I have I know you will not be able to answer anyway bro.

 

[Megatron28]

Actually and fortunately, you're wrong. It has worked for many. If it hasn't worked as such for someone then they are the exception. Anyone who has cycled properly, included hcg and followed up with a proper pct plan and time off between has likely increased their bodies natural test.

The problem with me specifically is I was low to begin with, and the increases I'm seeing aren't sufficient for my liking

Do you have anything of an actual helpful nature to reply with? Or are you just the guy who likes to tell people they are wrong? Cause that's cool too bro, every board has/needs at least one

You are wrong. Most guys find that each time they run a cycle their HPTA takes a little "hit" and natty testosterone returns a little lower, sometimes it doesn't return at all. Run enough cycles and there is a good chance you will end up on TRT. Running cycles is not a path to increasing ones natural testosterone levels after the cycle is over.

 

[Megatron28]

Maybe I didn't explain well enough. But my plan was try and avoid TRT by just cycling a few time with the hopes of bumping my test up permanently. I think the hcg has done most of the work there however.
My thought now, as either a backup in case this round of prop doesn't bump my test up OR if I decided to bite the bullet and just go on TRT before the end of this cycle.
I just wanted my levels to show low, but not super low.

When you say cycle, do your mean HPTA restart instead? Men with low T can sometimes benefit from trying a restart (I.e. PCT).

 

[Chiefy]

What?
No one said TRT would do such things.
Cycling will.
I would say just re-read the OP, but the one question that I have I know you will not be able to answer anyway bro.

Cycling probably won't either.