Starting a cycle to build MASS in about 3 months TREN VS DECA, Which one?

[Aslan]

Hey fellas,

I've decided to run a cycle in about 3-4 months to build up some good size. As this will be my second cycle ever running testosterone, I'm just a little confused on what I should run, the cycle length, dosage amounts and how often I should pin etc. Post therapy advice and breakdown is also very much appreciated.

I've only ever been on Test400 before and that was for a total of 3 vials which completed my cycle before starting post therapy which consisted of Nolva. I've been training for about 8 years on and off and have been consistent for about 3 years. I'm 27 years old, 6' and weigh in at 175 lbs at the moment. I made some good gains from the t400 cycle (gained about 20 lbs, eating 2600-3000 cals) and although I'm back to the same weight right now, I'm definitely more lean, with more muscle definition, as I started reducing my caloric intake (about 1600-1800 cals) a few weeks before I started on the last vial.

Deca VS Tren and if I do decide to go with Deca is it better to stack with Test e as I would with the Tren? Would cycling anything else be more beneficial? Just trying to get an idea of what I would like to cycle through other peoples experiences with advice coming from more experienced people. Your help is greatly appreciated, Thank you!

 

[skinnypete]

regardless of what you run.....you want mass eat more rice. I love rice. Cals look pretty low bro.

 

[skinnypete]

1600 cals your pretty much in a deficit

 

[skinnypete]

and you might need to check out some other ancillaries. Even with test only, youll more than likely need more than nolva.

 

[skinnypete]

i could go on.....but if test only worked good why would you change it up...be patient. Your 6 foot and under 180lbs,....stay away from tren and deca

 

[Aslan]

Oh nono, my t400 cycle was a while back. Everything is back to normal. I'm just inquiring about the cycle I want to start in 3-4 months. I love rice too! Gonna buy bags and bags of brown rice, put some chicken in that with a few scrambled eggs for sure!

 

[skinnypete]

start bulking on a cal surplus, get that rice and shit now and start eating, gain that 20 lbs back then run a good test cycle

 

[sadpanda]

i run tren to cut, i run deca to bulk

(never ran deca before though)

oct im gonna be hitting 750mg test 1-16 400mg deca 1-15 dbol 1-4 40mg

 

[skinnypete]

im trying to help because im pretty sure not to many people are going to respond to this thread

 

[Aslan]

It's funny you recommend that pete! A buddy of mine who's been in the game for a while suggested the same thing...

 

[enzo321]

i run tren to cut, i run deca to bulk

(never ran deca before though)

oct im gonna be hitting 750mg test 1-16 400mg deca 1-15 dbol 1-4 40mg

Tren's original intention is this.

To prevent muscle catabolism via trafficking of cows.

 

[Mad- scientist]

I think deca you could stack more anabolic compounds with and be safer since it is less toxic. So you could possibly gain more size with less danger. But tren ran at the right dosages and with the right compounds combined with it might give the same amount of muscle but with less water retention and fat.

 

[enzo321]

I think deca you could stack more anabolic compounds with and be safer since it is less toxic. So you could possibly gain more size with less danger. But tren ran at the right dosages and with the right compounds combined with it might give the same amount of muscle but with less water retention and fat.

Just out curiosity what do you mean by "toxic"? I have a buddy who can't stack too many compounds or he just starts throwing up all over the place, and gets flu like symptoms.

 

[Epic Ed]

Tren does a number on your liver. It's a rather nasty compound in terms of what types of sides most people have and how hard it hits your liver.

In regards to bulking, there's no comparison -- tren, gram for gram, will kick the shit out of anything else available. It's used to bulk up livestock. Deca is no slouch, but for pure size and strength gains tren can't be beat. That said, tren is NOT for beginners. If you've never run anything but test the next step would be to add one new compound to your next cycle. Deca is one of the finest substances on the planet as far as I'm concerned. Aromatization is a non-issue and it has strong anabolic properties. It does shut down your natural test production severely but a proper PCT should bring everything back to normal. Sides related to progesterone are easy to mitigate with the right ancillaries. I'd recommend getting more info about deca and then figure out what dose to run and how long you want to run it. Skip the tren until you've had several more cycle under your belt.

 

[Captncavematt]

start bulking on a cal surplus, get that rice and shit now and start eating, gain that 20 lbs back then run a good test cycle

This.

 

[Mad- scientist]

since decca has less harsh side effects than tren does and is also a progesterone related steroid. I recommend learning how your body reacts to progesterone and prolactin through deca because you will be more clear minded on deca and able to mentally come up with a better plan to deal with side effects than to jump into tren and have some of the side effects tren can cause that might cause a panic type of situation to occur and you might not be able to make some of the best decisions. But if you already know how you react to progesterone and prolactin through experience with deca you will have a better idea of what to expect from tren and more of a game plan heading into it.

Your friend probably gets flue like symptoms from the build up of to many toxins from harsh steroids. Or possibly just test flue from something like test prop. But I have gotten sick when stacking lots of oral steroids before and I felt horrible. That's why now days I try to stick to just injectables. Im personally going to try tren before I do any more Oral steroids to see how my body handles the toxicity. I want to run like 300 to 350 mgs a week of tren ace. But I also am considering using deca before I jump into using tren. Just so I can get familiar with caber and prami dosages and how I react to them. And so I can know what prami is causing side effect wise vs what tren is causing side effect wise. So that way I don't blame everything on tren.