Hi, so I’m 18 and thinking about running a cycle. I know I will get roasted for this, I will listen to people but I don’t want the whole ‘you’l fuck up your hormones’, like what specifically is likely to go wrong? I’m not jumping in without knowing anything, I’v done my research (I’m not by any means saying I know everything, but I feel like I have a reasonable understanding of what I’m thinking of doing). I’v read through forums and and have an understanding of the sides of steroids. I’m not an idiot looking to get jacked, I’m doing my A-levels now and I’m doing chem bio and phys so I actually find the topic really interesting to read around. On researching natural test levels I struggled to find much for teens, the best I could find was under 25s, but it looked like a teen with good test levels was around 800-1000ng/dl (around 300mg jab a week I think, I found these conversions hard to understand). I know I have enough test at my age anyway but test isn’t really what I want to increase, I think I might need it if I get shut down though.
So what I really wanted to run was anavar (and possibly primo), I was thinking of running the anavar at 50mg ed for around 8 weeks. I know anavar will shut me down and so I would need at least maintenance test (maybe I could use a little higher than maintenance?). From what I’v read and been told by friends using it themselves, Test E would be the best for me, more convenient than P due to the half life and it seems like less people suffer from gyno than using C. I would also run PCT after the cycle, I have researched this but it all seems similar so I won’t list it here (I wouldn’t begin anything before I was confident and had everything planned up until the end of the PCT).
My stats will be below in a separate post but my goal is to cut down. I know I am able to bulk very well at my age with discipline and diet which I feel I have been doing for the past few years, but I want to cut down without the great loss of muscle which feels inevitable. I have tried cutting before but what I found was the more cardio and less food, the less strength and less muscle. Last time I attempted to cut I lost around 7-9kg (sorry I’m UK so it’s metric) but I looked in the mirror and I really couldn’t see a significant change in tone, I definitely lost fat but its not was I was hoping/expecting, I really didn’t want to drop my weight too low, I wanted to stay in the 200lb region as I’v worked hard to get there.
Through reading old threads the most common arguments against it is ‘it will fuck up your hormones’ and ‘it will stop your growth/ your growth plates haven’t sealed yet’. I know that when anavar was designed one of the main uses was growth in children so I don’t see this as a major concern, and I would only be running test at maintenance or slightly above so I don’t think this would be a major concern (that one is more of a question, maintenance test and fucking up growth??).
I realise this is a long one and I really appreciate anyone getting to the end of it, I’l post my stats under this. I’d be really grateful for any replies and advise, I’m not stubborn and I won’t be selective with what I take on board but please don’t just fill the replies with ‘don’t do it’, would this theoretically be sensible? And looking past maturity ect, could this work? This is a big decision so I would really appreciate all you have to offer.
Here are my stats (and background)….
I started lifting when I was 14 (min age for my gym, got a membership as soon as I could). Obviously like any 14 year old I was shit, didn’t eat to match my training and did biceps and chest every time I went (pls forgive me I was foolish), I did make a little progress I guess but nothing significant, but this really got me hooked on the gym, I was there 6 days a week on my own just lifting weights and doing a little cardio, 2 hour sessions maybe. At around 15 I starting picking up tips and becoming more knowledgeable about the subject and starting doing things better, I didn’t have a diet plan but I would consciously eat (fairly) clean food and I followed a workout plan and from then I saw great progress. I went from 46kg (101lb, no i don’t have that wrong I was ridiculously skinny, like 3rd percentile and I was almost diagnosed with anorexia) at age 15 to now 100kg (220lbs) at 18. I am always accused of abusing steroids (mostly jokingly of course), to the point where I had teachers asking me about it through concern and even my parents have asked. The peak of my most recent bulk was 107kg (235lb).
Stats:
Height…5ft 11
weight…100kg (220lb)
Bodyfat around 16-17%.
My workout I think are pretty good, I will post them if anyone asks but I don’t think they are an issue, I’v seen good progress with them and I’v used a few PTs.
My diet will have flaws I know, I am not lazy with my diet, I find this hard purely due to my daily life, work and college but here goes, this is the order not the timing. I do have the cals all right I weigh the majority of it …
Porridge (oats)
2 glasses of milk
protein bar
rice+chicken/fish
rice+salmon (this is always the same, smoked/steamed/raosted)
fast carbs before the gym (this might be juice or similar, it varies)
2x protein shakes (1 before workout 1 after)
brown toast+peanut butter (sometimes sub this with pack of nuts depends whats available)
Porridge
2/3 glasses of milk
Il also have greek yogurt most days first thing in the morning and just before bed.
This is what I’m eating at the moment, comes out 3700 cals which I’m maintaining on if not loosing weight slowly and 250+g protein. At the height of my bulk I was on around 5000 cals, this really piled on the muscle but obviously fat too. I would up it when doing cardio depending on cals burned (I would also work this out to the best of my ability). I can be more strict with my diet while I would be cycling and for the majority of it I will be on holiday which will make it much easier for me.
Supplements:
At the moment all I’m taking it whey and creatine.
I would usually be on BCAAs and pre workout too but I went into my supp shop once and the guy had a chat with me about BCAAs. He said that unless I’m doing starved cardio or workouts out first thing before I’v had substantial food/protein then they were pointless, is this true? And with pre workout I’m going to start again this weekend, I just happened to run out and thought id take a short break. Sorry theres so much here I just figured the more info the better.
So what I really wanted to run was anavar (and possibly primo), I was thinking of running the anavar at 50mg ed for around 8 weeks. I know anavar will shut me down and so I would need at least maintenance test (maybe I could use a little higher than maintenance?). From what I’v read and been told by friends using it themselves, Test E would be the best for me, more convenient than P due to the half life and it seems like less people suffer from gyno than using C. I would also run PCT after the cycle, I have researched this but it all seems similar so I won’t list it here (I wouldn’t begin anything before I was confident and had everything planned up until the end of the PCT).
My stats will be below in a separate post but my goal is to cut down. I know I am able to bulk very well at my age with discipline and diet which I feel I have been doing for the past few years, but I want to cut down without the great loss of muscle which feels inevitable. I have tried cutting before but what I found was the more cardio and less food, the less strength and less muscle. Last time I attempted to cut I lost around 7-9kg (sorry I’m UK so it’s metric) but I looked in the mirror and I really couldn’t see a significant change in tone, I definitely lost fat but its not was I was hoping/expecting, I really didn’t want to drop my weight too low, I wanted to stay in the 200lb region as I’v worked hard to get there.
Through reading old threads the most common arguments against it is ‘it will fuck up your hormones’ and ‘it will stop your growth/ your growth plates haven’t sealed yet’. I know that when anavar was designed one of the main uses was growth in children so I don’t see this as a major concern, and I would only be running test at maintenance or slightly above so I don’t think this would be a major concern (that one is more of a question, maintenance test and fucking up growth??).
I realise this is a long one and I really appreciate anyone getting to the end of it, I’l post my stats under this. I’d be really grateful for any replies and advise, I’m not stubborn and I won’t be selective with what I take on board but please don’t just fill the replies with ‘don’t do it’, would this theoretically be sensible? And looking past maturity ect, could this work? This is a big decision so I would really appreciate all you have to offer.
Here are my stats (and background)….
I started lifting when I was 14 (min age for my gym, got a membership as soon as I could). Obviously like any 14 year old I was shit, didn’t eat to match my training and did biceps and chest every time I went (pls forgive me I was foolish), I did make a little progress I guess but nothing significant, but this really got me hooked on the gym, I was there 6 days a week on my own just lifting weights and doing a little cardio, 2 hour sessions maybe. At around 15 I starting picking up tips and becoming more knowledgeable about the subject and starting doing things better, I didn’t have a diet plan but I would consciously eat (fairly) clean food and I followed a workout plan and from then I saw great progress. I went from 46kg (101lb, no i don’t have that wrong I was ridiculously skinny, like 3rd percentile and I was almost diagnosed with anorexia) at age 15 to now 100kg (220lbs) at 18. I am always accused of abusing steroids (mostly jokingly of course), to the point where I had teachers asking me about it through concern and even my parents have asked. The peak of my most recent bulk was 107kg (235lb).
Stats:
Height…5ft 11
weight…100kg (220lb)
Bodyfat around 16-17%.
My workout I think are pretty good, I will post them if anyone asks but I don’t think they are an issue, I’v seen good progress with them and I’v used a few PTs.
My diet will have flaws I know, I am not lazy with my diet, I find this hard purely due to my daily life, work and college but here goes, this is the order not the timing. I do have the cals all right I weigh the majority of it …
Porridge (oats)
2 glasses of milk
protein bar
rice+chicken/fish
rice+salmon (this is always the same, smoked/steamed/raosted)
fast carbs before the gym (this might be juice or similar, it varies)
2x protein shakes (1 before workout 1 after)
brown toast+peanut butter (sometimes sub this with pack of nuts depends whats available)
Porridge
2/3 glasses of milk
Il also have greek yogurt most days first thing in the morning and just before bed.
This is what I’m eating at the moment, comes out 3700 cals which I’m maintaining on if not loosing weight slowly and 250+g protein. At the height of my bulk I was on around 5000 cals, this really piled on the muscle but obviously fat too. I would up it when doing cardio depending on cals burned (I would also work this out to the best of my ability). I can be more strict with my diet while I would be cycling and for the majority of it I will be on holiday which will make it much easier for me.
Supplements:
At the moment all I’m taking it whey and creatine.
I would usually be on BCAAs and pre workout too but I went into my supp shop once and the guy had a chat with me about BCAAs. He said that unless I’m doing starved cardio or workouts out first thing before I’v had substantial food/protein then they were pointless, is this true? And with pre workout I’m going to start again this weekend, I just happened to run out and thought id take a short break. Sorry theres so much here I just figured the more info the better.