Steroids alternatives, natural testosterone booster ? safe ?

[xanca]

guys, do you have any information on so called "Steroids alternatives" or natural testosterone booster?

Is that really safe or just ads?

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Many uninformed with jump and say they don't work. Some do it a matter on know what's what. I know of a few lines that work well and are still legal.

 

[halfwit]

guys, do you have any information on so called "Steroids alternatives" or natural testosterone booster?

Is that really safe or just ads?

There's no such thing as a natural testosterone booster that has any real measure of effectiveness. Unfortunately, anything that really works is not legal over the counter besides creatine (strength via intramuscular water retention and ATP enhancements), arginine (vasodilator), fish oil (blood pressure), magnesium citrate (strength/recovery), and caffeine (obvious). A proper diet will do so much, it's not even funny as well.

DAA, horny goat weed, tribulus, and the other "herbal test boosters" are all 100% crap. Sure, there will be studies showing a change, but it's literally BILLIONTHS of a gram.

My 0.02c

 

[Teutonic]

Many uninformed with jump and say they don't work. Some do it a matter on know what's what. I know of a few lines that work well and are still legal.

I m one of those guys.

If it s over the counter it s crap.
Sex= test booster.

Rx lobby will see FDA or DEA pull s that asap to insure sale of rx test. My trt meds have gone up 250 perc. in 10 yr s.

 

[4GKenZy]

Even if these test boosters increase your test by, say, 10%, that doesn't mean shit.

say your levels are 700ng/dl. Then you take a test booster and that goes up to 770ng/dl. That will virtually make zero difference.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Ok so in one of my former lives I desiged products for a few of the biggest companies in the industry in a lab setting. I designed grey market lines some boutique product lines ( legal but you wouldn't find over the counter ) and have been involved in the release of the biggest pro hormone ( Methyl1test ) releases to the public. So I will say I have a better understanding of natural and synthetic compounds avalible. There are legal compounds that mimic hormones and have the same effect in the body as natural hormones. There are compounds like sarms and peptides there are plant steroids. There are all kinds of high end therapies like customized modulated proteins and iv amino therapy.

Sky is the limit with money. The monsters and aliens aren't using steroid any longer.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Even if these test boosters increase your test by, say, 10%, that doesn't mean shit.

say your levels are 700ng/dl. Then you take a test booster and that goes up to 770ng/dl. That will virtually make zero difference.

You speak of things you don't know. Why would you see only a 10 % increase. What if the product was a plant steroid that has the same effects in the body like increased protein synthsis and insulin with sensitivity a positive nitrogen balance in the muscle but don't aromatise. I can think on one such compound that wea famous for its results but when release to the public at 1/10 the potency got a bad rap. The public never new that. The cost to refine the product made it more expensive that the cheap supplement company wanted to spend.

Or what if the compound was a natural steroid that one had one of the carbon molecules changed to make a new compound.

Too many of you guys are talking sideways out of your asses. Up in till a few years ago it was thought that you were born with set number of muscle fiber cells. Folistatin changed that myth. Coupled with IGF-1LR3 the sky is the limit.

 

[blakey]

There's no such thing as a natural testosterone booster that has any real measure of effectiveness. Unfortunately, anything that really works is not legal over the counter besides creatine (strength via intramuscular water retention and ATP enhancements), arginine (vasodilator), fish oil (blood pressure), magnesium citrate (strength/recovery), and caffeine (obvious). A proper diet will do so much, it's not even funny as well.

DAA, horny goat weed, tribulus, and the other "herbal test boosters" are all 100% crap. Sure, there will be studies showing a change, but it's literally BILLIONTHS of a gram.

My 0.02c

Ok so in one of my former lives I desiged products for a few of the biggest companies in the industry in a lab setting. I designed grey market lines some boutique product lines ( legal but you wouldn't find over the counter ) and have been involved in the release of the biggest pro hormone ( Methyl1test ) releases to the public. So I will say I have a better understanding of natural and synthetic compounds avalible. There are legal compounds that mimic hormones and have the same effect in the body as natural hormones. There are compounds like sarms and peptides there are plant steroids. There are all kinds of high end therapies like customized modulated proteins and iv amino therapy.

Sky is the limit with money. The monsters and aliens aren't using steroid any longer.

What bullshit I usually agree with nearly everything you say and your usually a voice of reason here so your comparing pro hormones to natural test boosters because you can buy them both in a shop ? Halfwit was right with the things he listed I would of added zma on top so to recap peptides Sarms and pro hormones are nothing like African stinging nettle trib and all the other shit that they sell as natural test boosters

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

I'm not saying the things being marketed as test boosters are good. I said there are compounds that work. You can find plenty of studies at pub med where amino acids combinations produced a 200% increase in test levels. What the studies done tell you is that the dosing was done by iv. I know of a few products that were designed that work that can't get insurance.

Im not going to mention compounds because that's part of what I do for a living. By the way a few of the best pro hormones were extracts of flowers fruits and roots. They were legal because they were naturally occurring. They actually suppressed hormones and were made illegal in the last change the the steroid act.

 

[blakey]

Yeah and that's all fair enough and as you say that plant extracts were used to create pro hormones
Well plant extracts are used to make oxycodone (ocxcontin) and morphine cocaine and many other drugs but being derived from plants dosnt make the product natural. Nice job by the way how did you get started down that road?

 

[blakey]

I'm pretty sure some steroids back In the day were somehow derived from sarsparella root don't no if I spelt that correctly that terrible tasting drink

 

[Teutonic]

I was not knowing DPR. I admit GNC s selection of IV sup s are very very limited lol.
Again, learned sumpin..

 

[halfwit]

I'm not saying the things being marketed as test boosters are good. I said there are compounds that work. You can find plenty of studies at pub med where amino acids combinations produced a 200% increase in test levels. What the studies done tell you is that the dosing was done by iv. I know of a few products that were designed that work that can't get insurance.

Im not going to mention compounds because that's part of what I do for a living. By the way a few of the best pro hormones were extracts of flowers fruits and roots. They were legal because they were naturally occurring. They actually suppressed hormones and were made illegal in the last change the the steroid act.

You have a valid point in that there are compounds known to man that impact many of the same facets as AAS, but the OP is asking about a very specific product line, which we both know do not work as advertised. Or worse, these products DO work as advertised, but only by using confusing language such as "Increase testosterone levels by 150%!". They then link (sometimes) to a sponsored trial where the 150% is a percentage of increase, not of total testosterone increase. Ex: A total increase of 35ng/dL was seen over a placebo/control of 24ng/dL. That's a whopping 1.5x greater amount (150% increase), even though it's meaningless.

IV peptide transfusions, gene therapy, myostatin inhibition, etc arent really even in the realm for most of us. Not only is the technology still quite experimental (from what I've seen, but that's not my chosen profession), but the cost is prohibitive for most.

I hope you weren't referring to plant sterols DPR...

 

[Milton]

guys, do you have any information on so called "Steroids alternatives" or natural testosterone booster?

Is that really safe or just ads?

This is a great read I hope OP comes back and takes what he can from it.

 

[4GKenZy]

You speak of things you don't know. Why would you see only a 10 % increase. What if the product was a plant steroid that has the same effects in the body like increased protein synthsis and insulin with sensitivity a positive nitrogen balance in the muscle but don't aromatise. I can think on one such compound that wea famous for its results but when release to the public at 1/10 the potency got a bad rap. The public never new that. The cost to refine the product made it more expensive that the cheap supplement company wanted to spend.

Or what if the compound was a natural steroid that one had one of the carbon molecules changed to make a new compound.

Too many of you guys are talking sideways out of your asses. Up in till a few years ago it was thought that you were born with set number of muscle fiber cells. Folistatin changed that myth. Coupled with IGF-1LR3 the sky is the limit.

We are talking about those test boosters you find at stupid supplement stores, aren't we? Those aren't going to do shit. Feel free to take as many as you want, it's your money not mine.

But yeah I severely doubt they sell a test booster that would increase testosterone more than 10%.

 

[Milton]

We are talking about those test boosters you find at stupid supplement stores, aren't we? Those aren't going to do shit. Feel free to take as many as you want, it's your money not mine.

But yeah I severely doubt they sell a test booster that would increase testosterone more than 10%.

if you want to call DPR out you better be locked and loaded. All of yous.

 

[.Vision.]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]From everything that I have seen in studies, most natural test boosters only really work in men that are "DEFICIENT", especially in minerals..[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Magnesium,ZINC and B6 are often found in many of these natty boosters, thus they help with the conversion of free flowing cholesterol into testosterone, but like I said, mainly in deficient males.. whether its low test, or deficient in minerals! [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]A healthy structured diet will increase natty test..Diet is huge![/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Your glands NEED a certain amount of minerals and such to help assist testosterone production with the Leydig cells as the need cholesterol to make test... Certain foods can help lower estro as others can improve test (like some fatty foods,nuts, meats eggs etc.) There's ton of studies t support that fatty diets/foods result with higher test levels...[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Get you hormones up and going from FOOD![/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]True story[/FONT]