Steroids Cycle D1 athlete NFL aspirations.

well, most here know how i feel about doing gear at the age of 20.. so ill leave that in the air...


BUT if you are going to do gear remember that your diet is going to be 10x more important here... if you want to weigh 195 you have to eat like youre going to weigh that much...

im sure you exercise more than the average guy.. make sure you really put in the calories to keep that weight..
 
I'm in the same boat 3. I would never tell a 20 year old to do juice. I would help em get it or anything. In this case this is an isolated incident. This kid is trying to get to the next level, the pinnacle of sports. Better to tell him wjat to do so he doesn't mess it up.
 
Truushot said:
I'm in the same boat 3. I would never tell a 20 year old to do juice. I would help em get it or anything. In this case this is an isolated incident. This kid is trying to get to the next level, the pinnacle of sports. Better to tell him wjat to do so he doesn't mess it up.
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you sure tren is best and not npp?

and my point was his stats are NOT elite so his film has to be stellar.. i like winstrol since you hear a lot of sprinters take it..

his bench is 285 thats weak.. his squat is 400 thats weak.. he doesnt even have elite grip to pull 600lbs..

12 weeks is not going to make his training elite.. maybe if he focused just on speed or vertical. the test and winstrol would serve him well..

you are taking a below average college lifter and telling him a cycle will make his numbers elite..

film is the only thing that will save him.
 
Winstrol and tren are both poor choices here. Winny is notorious for tendon/ligament discomfort and injuries and thats for regular gym goers. What do you think will happen when they have intense practices and start running into each other at full speed? Its like the impact of a car
 
accident every play. Almost a guarantee of an injury. What good is increased speed if you miss the combine due to a torn hamstring or knee ligament??? As for tren i can say from experience it will increase speed since your legs generate more power thanks to strength shooting through the roof. I used tren while playing college baseball
 
and was flying around the OF like a goddamn gazelle. The problem with tren of course is the cardio issue. Playing baseball involved alot of short bursts like running the bases or tracking balls in the OF. Football on the other hand is very taxing and involves endurance and that's where tren can cripple u. Truthfully IMO the best thing for your goals would be NPP or if you must use tren try stacking it with albuterol to counteract the negative cardio effects
 
bigkit34 said:
Winstrol and tren are both poor choices here. Winny is notorious for tendon/ligament discomfort and injuries and thats for regular gym goers. What do you think will happen when they have intense practices and start running into each other at full speed? Its like the impact of a car
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This. And good luck doing drills while on tren lol.
 
Do you guys realize it's not football season? You realize there is no contact in the summer. You realize at the division 1 level (where I happened to play) the summer is meant to train and study. There is no risk of play related injury.

Winstrol is by far your best option. I guess Ben Johnson didn't know what he was doing. And what tendon is he going to tear? You're acting like it's going to make him an old man.

And as far as tren goes he wants weight, explosion, dry, and strength. Sounds perfect to me. Npp won't yield near the gains in the above mentioned. NOT EVEN CLOSE. His cardio will suffer. It's a fact. But it's 1.5 months in the summer. What he will gain will far out weigh the lack of cardio.
 
ezjax said:
you sure tren is best and not npp?

and my point was his stats are NOT elite so his film has to be stellar.. i like winstrol since you hear a lot of sprinters take it..

his bench is 285 thats weak.. his squat is 400 thats weak.. he doesnt even have elite grip to pull 600lbs..

12 weeks is not going to make his training elite.. maybe if he focused just on speed or vertical. the test and winstrol would serve him well..

you are taking a below average college lifter and telling him a cycle will make his numbers elite..

film is the only thing that will save him.
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I think we may need to review what you think is weak for a 20 year old kid. 285 as a junior is not elite but 100 lbs over his weight natural and at 6.5 percent is decent. Not great but far from weak. The squat is lower than it should be but that can be fixed with a little help. If he was at 495 it's decent increase. As far as pulling there aren't very many college kids in the secondary or skilled positions even pulling so whatever there.

With some maturity he will trip a few off the .40 add an inch or 1.5 to the very and he will be benching 325 if would get himself lifting harder.
 
Truushot said:
I think we may need to review what you think is weak for a 20 year old kid. 285 as a junior is not elite but 100 lbs over his weight natural and at 6.5 percent is decent. Not great but far from weak. The squat is lower than it should be but that can be fixed with a little help. If he was at 495 it's decent increase. As far as pulling there aren't very many college kids in the secondary or skilled positions even pulling so whatever there.

With some maturity he will trip a few off the .40 add an inch or 1.5 to the very and he will be benching 325 if would get himself lifting harder.
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you make some good points i guess we will agree to disagree. steroids will help but will not take him to an elite level
 
Trushot your dead.wrong about winstrol. Just cuz 1 guy tested positive in the Olympics almost 30 years ago doesn't mean that steroid is the best choice. No steroid contributes to more injuries than winstrol and for the record Ben Johnson has came out since and said that Turinabol was his fav steroid that benefitted him the most as a sprinter. There's no doubt that you have some good knowledge on alot of topics bro yet if anybody has a different opinion than you on a topic you tend to have a very condescending tone. We are all here to learn nobody is always right
 
I appreciate the fact that you are reading my stuff thanks. I would ask that you not read into my words as if you can hear the inflection of my voice because you can't so the assumption is way off. I am huge mans man and would never put a guy down for having a different opinion. Iron sharpens iron is my idea of a great debate.

Now back to Winstrol. :-) please remember I am debating discussing and bullshitting with a bunch of guys here not picking a fight. With that being said I do have to admit I get pissed when people give BAD AND I MEAN BAD advice. Bigkit34 this is not even remotely close to directed at you.
K so we all know there is reports of It weaking tendons. This can be due to the drying effect some people feel or they say it can strengthen then unevenly which can leave them brittle.

So I ask this how many of us big lifters have been hurt on winny? I haven't and I'm 6'2" tall 260 lbs and decently strong. I trained at the best or second best power lifting gym in the country...Louie Simmons wasn't my coach. There is my best hint. I have trained with some of the strongest people in the world. Like the first guy to bench over 700 lbs under 200. A guy who set ever record at 198 and 220 in the world a few years ago. NONE OF THEM WOULD SAY DON'T TAKE WINNY FOR THIS GUY.

You all could be right and that's cool. When I say you're not it's based on my experience as a lifter and my relationships I have had for years. I would never give advice based on wjat someone said or seething I read. Obviously I wouldn't discount a credited white paper or clinical research.

Bro science is just that bro science.

Oh and by the way I'm pretty much the biggest smart ass fuck around in the world. If you read my comments pretend yoda is reading them and you will always see I'm not being a dick...

Unless some newby moron tells someone something completely wrong. I mean like anavar only works or oral cycles are ok or yeah man test e for 8 weaks or INSULIN IS SO BAD IT WILL KILL YIU FOR SURE or any ignorant stuff like that.

These are mind and body altering compounds. It's important to direct people in the right way. Somebody did it for all of us!

Happy Easter niggas!!
 
I've got 2 torn rotator cuffs when i was younger as well as countless pulled hamstrings from it so ypu see I also speak from experience. When i was younger i bought into the broscience that suggested winny was a good choice for sports. Didn't hurt that it would get me shredded. Knowing what I do now I woulda went with tbol instead as it doesn't decrease the synovial fluid in the joints like winny which can lea joint pain and injury. IMO winny should be used solely for contest prep. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one tru
 
Tru,
I like your insight and good, well educated, thoughts. However, I am not sure about comparing a powerlifter to a sprinting, cutting, impact athlete. Sure, there is some, though less at his position.
Also, this is the OP's first cycle. Wouldn't he be best to run a test only cycle or maybe throw in an oral for 4-6 weeks? I still think his testE with anavar would give him modest gains as simply as possible.
 
Bigkit fuck it we need a bench off and then our wives have to machete fight to the death :-)

I like you perspective. It's obviously informed!! I can get down with that and since I kinda know you now it just may become part of my perspective. Hey I just put a post up about cutting and muscle retention. Comment on it. I'm interested in your stupid wrong point of view :-p

Oh and smitty you're correct with all you say. This is the most extenuated of extenuated circumstances. I feel like he is trying to get to next level of income and draft status. The risk is worth the reward. In all cases other than this I do what you said.

However I really hate orals so I pretty much talk shit about them non stop. I do however like Winstrol. I get strong off of it.
 
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