Still uncertain.....leaning more towards tren ace!!

[Thezilla]

About me I have a handful of cycles under my belt but always have basically stuck with the same cycle which consisted of 500mg test e and 400 mg eq and have ran that anywhere from 12 to 20 weeks dropping the eq in the longer cycles! I have always comeback with the proper pct of nolva hcg Clomid. I have also gotten proper bloods done and everything is in check!!!!
I'm 33 6'5 265 currently works out 4 to 5 times a week.....so.....I'm about two months out until I start my next run but I'm still uncertain which compound to add to that stack if any???? I vision myself being a hybrid between a huge ass bodybuilder who can wipe his ass and a physic competitor being that I'm taller and have more lean muscle mass!!!
So my question is since I have been running the same amount of gear over the past ten years what compound can I add to get to that next level???? I get great results on that stack and that is why I have always stuck with it!!! It's simple!!! Not to toot my own horn but ppl think I'm a NFL linebacker when I'm on that stack!!!! For awhile I was going to go with deca but after doing a lot of research I think I'm leaning more towards adding tren ace!!! I really don't know to much about the dosing on this compound and the duration I should run it??? Should I add tren to the test e and eq cycle or just drop the eq??? If I run a 16 week cycle should I run the tren at the beginning or end? (I heard not to run it over 8 weeks?) does anybody have any opinions or experience??
This is what I was thinking----
1-16 test e 500mg
1-14 eq 400mg
1-8 tren ace 100mg eod
Then proper pct.....or
1-16 test e 500mg
1-14 deca 400 mg
Then proper pct!!! And comments suggestion add or subtract anything from these??? Thanks for reading!!!

 

[Roush]

all your cycles have been really long runs with the Eq in there. If you switch over and try deca then that too is going to be a really long run . has your RBC/hematorcrit always been ok running Eq that long ?

personally I'd give a short ester blast a run this time and see how you like it.

Test prop - 75mg eod
Tren Ace - 100mg eod
Mast Prop - 200mg eod

blast that for 8-10 weeks and your done. You'll hardly need an AI, and won't have estrogen issues being tren and mast do not aromatize, keep the testosterone on the lower end to keep negative sides at bay.

if you want to go with nandro (deca) instead of Tren this time , then just switch out the above cycle and replace the tren with 150mg of NPP Eod (fast acting deca) and run that with the test and mast for 8-10 weeks.


you may be impressed and get good gains and have less sides and better recovery with a short ester blast, then the long 15 week runs your used to

 

[anzel]

You can definitely run either of those cycles. It would be interesting to see what deca would do for you , I vote for that cycle.
Do you plan on using HCG during the cycle and do you have your PCT squared away?

 

[Thezilla]

Thanks for the replies!!! Yes all of my blood work has been fine.....the reason I love long ester is obviously less pins..... the reason being because I travel every once in awhile and it works great with just two pins a week.... now that you have mentioned it the short ester cycle has caught my interest a bit....but what would a pct look like with a cycle that short.... mine have always consisted of hcg clomid nolva but would the doses go down with pct...cause let's just say we all know the pct sucks....
Yea I have heard some great things about deca and was why I was interested in it at first.... but then I heard tren was this super human shit!!!!! I just want to take it to the next level break the barrier.....I have never used hcg during my cycle have always used it for ten days after last pin and have never had problems dropping the boys back down....and yeas I have clomid nolva ulimited amounts lol....

 

[Thezilla]

Oh and do you think the deca will f up libido at 400 mg a week????

 

[Roush]

i would keep PCT the same every time no matter the cycle , long or short, no matter the compound ,, stick to the PCT protocol that works best and gets your natty test going again.

Deca is a good compound , you just gotta be patient with it , for me it takes a good 8 weeks to kick in. if you want it to kick in faster then just front load your Deca with NPP for the first 5 weeks.


Deca will not effect your libido as long as you have a testosterone base, and your controlling your estrogen with an AI , and controlling prolactin, with a dopamine agonist, if your prone to 19nor induced prolactin, some guys are not prolactin sensitive and will not need to run caber even with high doses of deca or tren.
if libido issues come up , then prolactin and or estrogen are elevated.

 

[Thezilla]

So if I front loaded npp how much would I take and how often because of it being a short ester?

 

[Roush]

So if I front loaded npp how much would I take and how often because of it being a short ester?

if your plan was to run 400-500mg of deca. Then a basic NPP front load of about 100mg every other day for 5 weeks would get you going much quicker. this will also speed up your cycle and you won't have to run the Deca as long if you did not want too*


* having run deca/nandrolones a dozen times , I can tell you that running deca for a long period of time can get very old. the benefits are great for joint support, strength, muscle size, don't get me wrong .. but when it builds up in your system over a long period of time the sleep apnea, restlessness, anxiety, etc.. can get old and uncomfortable fast . I've used NPP fronted the last few times I've ran deca and cutting the cycle shorter is just much healthier for me doing it that way , imo

 

[Thezilla]

Cool man thanks for the input I really appreciate it. Decisions decisions decisions......

 

[Thezilla]

I was just thinking..... could I just front load with some d bol..... I know oral bad for liver ect but with liv aid would that be a possible route to take???

 

[Roush]

I was just thinking..... could I just front load with some d bol..... I know oral bad for liver ect but with liv aid would that be a possible route to take???

yeah you can kickstart with Dbol. thats not technically a 'front load' , but it will kick things off quicker, but it will NOT get the nandrolone/deca going any faster, that will still take 8 weeks to fully kick in , (the point of the NPP front load is to get the nandrolone in the blood stream much quicker) . Dbol is Dbol , its not nandrolone , so it won't do nothing for deca . but it can still kick start a cycle.

keep in mind with Dbol, not only will you kick start gains and strength , you'll also kickstart a possible bunch of negative sides if your not on top of it . huge conversion to estrogen, gyno, bloat, high blood pressure etc.. the worst thing you want to do is kickstart a long deca/test cycle with a bunch of estrogen sides, will wreak havoc your whole cycle.

^ having said that I am a huge fan of Dbol , I run it all the time with very few sides. you just need to know how to dose it properly for yourself , and to stay on top of your estrogen control , i run a standard AI protocol plus letro when I'm blasting Dbol.
plenty of times though i run Dbol low dose just as my pre-workout as well when I'm on cycle. I can get by without the letro when running it low dose (still need an arimidex though).

 

[Black Beard]

Tren is a different animal in terms of sides. It can fuck you up badly mentally, sexually and some people get stubborn gyno from it.


Give it a shot but start low-moderate and be ready to abort. Masteron is good at mitigating all the tren sides i just mentioned, so considering adding it to your stack. There is great synergy there.

 

[anzel]

yeah you can kickstart with Dbol. thats not technically a 'front load' , but it will kick things off quicker, but it will NOT get the nandrolone/deca going any faster, that will still take 8 weeks to fully kick in , (the point of the NPP front load is to get the nandrolone in the blood stream much quicker) . Dbol is Dbol , its not nandrolone , so it won't do nothing for deca . but it can still kick start a cycle.

keep in mind with Dbol, not only will you kick start gains and strength , you'll also kickstart a possible bunch of negative sides if your not on top of it . huge conversion to estrogen, gyno, bloat, high blood pressure etc.. the worst thing you want to do is kickstart a long deca/test cycle with a bunch of estrogen sides, will wreak havoc your whole cycle.

^ having said that I am a huge fan of Dbol , I run it all the time with very few sides. you just need to know how to dose it properly for yourself , and to stay on top of your estrogen control , i run a standard AI protocol plus letro when I'm blasting Dbol.
plenty of times though i run Dbol low dose just as my pre-workout as well when I'm on cycle. I can get by without the letro when running it low dose (still need an arimidex though).

Roush, why not just increase your Adex dosage

 

[Roush]

Roush, why not just increase your Adex dosage

yeah if i'm running low dose then thats all i need to do , but if I blast 50mg a day and I'm on test and maybe npp or whatever else i may be on , then I find just adding a bit of letro 3 days a week works best for me , its just way faster acting , and you don't need a lot of it . if you keep upping and upping your arimidex dose (and your on it year round like me), then your cholesterol profile is just going to get shittier. letro at low dose , with an arimidex base, is fast and effective

 

[Black Beard]

yeah if i'm running low dose then thats all i need to do , but if I blast 50mg a day and I'm on test and maybe npp or whatever else i may be on , then I find just adding a bit of letro 3 days a week works best for me , its just way faster acting , and you don't need a lot of it . if you keep upping and upping your arimidex dose (and your on it year round like me), then your cholesterol profile is just going to get shittier. letro at low dose , with an arimidex base, is fast and effective

Be careful with letro, it seems to affect mood and well-being for some despite keeping e2 levels at optimum. but it does work fast, i've seen high e2 dropped to 9 pg/mL in one day with one pharma tablet.

 

[Thezilla]

Ok so I have made my decision and I'm going to go with the test e and deca stack....going to run the npp for the first 5 weeks like roush suggested!! I have a couple of questions though----first I have never really had a need to run ai during my previous cycles....I'm not gyno prone more lean muscle mass here low body fat..... if I have ever thought I was seeing any signs I popped some nolva for a few days.....so do I absolute need some for this cycle??? And which would you suggest....looking around I see a lot of aromasin, arimidex and letrozole....I saw in an article that the correct dosing for letrozole was .25 mg but looking around I c pills that are all 2. something so how does that work? Do you break the pill??? I was also curious about the pinning of the npp. I was reading tips and tricks thread and saw something about the insulin needles using to pin. Would I be able to inject the npp with that pin? As I stated when I first started this thread I always used long acting esters which obviously means I didn't have to pin that often. To tell the truth I have only ever pinned the glutes. I have a little scare tissue but can always find a spot lol. So I'm a little nervous about injecting else where. Yes I have seen videos done research know how to aspirate ect but still nervous of hitting a vein. Where you you suggest I pin? I have had friends say nest best is the quad?? Anyway Thanks for the input.

 

[Roush]

if your running a 19nor like deca with test, then your going to want to make sure your estrogen stays under control , as estrogen has effects on prolactin which can go up while on a 19nor , and then produce gyno and lactating nipples. So i'd just take a research chem armidex , liquid form for easy dosing, and start it at like .25mg eod. Letro will be over kill. just take it as part of your cycle to be safe. you also may want to have caber on hand, just in case your prolactin goes up (deca causes prolactin to increase in some guys)

as for the NPP you'll want to inject that EOD. yes you can inject it with insulin pins , and it is very easy to do and painless. I hit chest, delts, quads, biceps, lats, etc.. you don't feel a thing with a slin pin. you'll need 1/2" 30g. you CAN'T draw the gear with the slin pin though, it won't suck it up cause needle is so small. So you take a regular syringe and draw with that , then you take some slin pins and pull the back plunger out and fill them up with the NPP (squirt it in there from the regular syringe your drew from), you can load like a weeks supply of them if you want. Make sure to purge the air out afterwards, then suck back an create a vacuum, that way gear does not come out if you leave them sitting awhile.

again , hitting chest, quads, delts, is very easy to do . I inject every single day , its a painless easy process

 

[Thezilla]

Cool thanks for the info!!!

 

[Black Beard]

No need to aspirate. It's no longer standard medical practice and people have been pinning for decades without aspiration.

 

[Thezilla]

So looking for armidex and a caber possibly online at a good price is kinda hard to find. I know I can find it around here but was shopping around. Does anybody have a reliable source for these things? I know revealing sources for gear is a no no but is it ok to list sources for ai's and caber??