Strongest fat burning drugs

[vasasa]

Hey,
So what would be the strongest fat burning drugs around. I am talking stuff like DNP and CLEN.
Please save us the "Cardio and good diet speech", we already know that.

So what do you think?
From my humble basic knowledge CLEN is the strongest, then DNP.
What are your opinions on this and what are other drugs that has interesting fat burning abilities.

 

[SamSport]

another newbie looking for a shortcut. ''we already know that''. Who's ''we'' ? diet and cardio, add t3 if you know what you're doing. clen is garbage, it will only make a slight difference. DNP.... come on dude you really want to touch that shit, you lazy bastard

 

[vasasa]

Bro I am not a newbie, I have been training for longtime. I already achieved %10 when I originally was +%25, with absolutely no drug, nothing. I am here for educational purposes. Yes I might be a newbie in drugs but we all started somewhere.

 

[SamSport]

Bro I am not a newbie, I have been training for longtime. I already achieved %10 when I originally was +%25, with absolutely no drug, nothing. I am here for educational purposes. Yes I might be a newbie in drugs but we all started somewhere.

We all started somewhere, I can only agree with this statement. But you know that its about diet... cardio is always optional, but diet is the biggest part. I know you hear this everywhere but this is the truth. To lose fat you need to be in a calorie deficit. Now fat burning drugs have their place, SOME have their place. T3, clen (i personally dont really like clen, didnt notice much when I ran it alone), ephedra (good drug, not great to BURN fat BUT great to control your appetite). DNP to me is out of the question because it is dangerous. There might be a way to use it safely, but to me I don't feel like risking anything to lose a couple pound of fat. T3 will make you hungry when you run it at 100mcg+ (personnal experience,I'm on it right now) but to me its the best fat burner (price is good and thyroid always recover). If you go 100mcg ED on T3, I'd make sure to run some Testosterone with it, like 400-500mg. Other than that its all about diet. I might have sounded rude, but consider I'm running 100mg tren A everyday

 

[vasasa]

Hey, thanks for the information. The thing is, I am still to consider using steroids, I have yet to even come close to my natural potential, so TEST is out of the equation.
What I like the most about DNP is that it is not a hormone, it does not interfere with body functions and chemicals, and your body doesn't adapt. Meaning that once getting off the cycle, there is nothing to worry about.

 

[snowpatrol123]

Hey, thanks for the information. The thing is, I am still to consider using steroids, I have yet to even come close to my natural potential, so TEST is out of the equation.
What I like the most about DNP is that it is not a hormone, it does not interfere with body functions and chemicals, and your body doesn't adapt. Meaning that once getting off the cycle, there is nothing to worry about.

Just do your research before you get into something like DNP. It's serious business, but the decision is ultimately yours.

The bros @ r/steroids just completed a (by no means conclusive) profile on DNP, probably worth a read including the comments: [Compound Profile] - [DNP] : steroids

 

[SamSport]

Hey, thanks for the information. The thing is, I am still to consider using steroids, I have yet to even come close to my natural potential, so TEST is out of the equation.
What I like the most about DNP is that it is not a hormone, it does not interfere with body functions and chemicals, and your body doesn't adapt. Meaning that once getting off the cycle, there is nothing to worry about.

Its up to you; you really want to know everything about DNP before doing this... like snowpatrol says, its serious business; really serious business.. My advice is don't do it

 

[juced_porkchop]

Id rec test over DNP any day...
anyway I highly rec T3 and/or Clen or albut and keto combo from RUI.
if your into peptides then ghrp2 and sermorelin combo is nice also

 

[vasasa]

I have heard a lot of stories about people gaining weight back after CLEN, Albuterol and T3. Since the body metabolism go to even a lower phase than it was originally was after the cycle. DNP is quite the opposite. What are your inputs in this point?

 

[louman]

Don't you risk a chance of losing some serious mass in t3?
Obviously you will on any type if cut but I've heard t3 will cause
Rapid mass and strength koss

 

[JimiThing]

I like albuterol....

 

[SamSport]

I have heard a lot of stories about people gaining weight back after CLEN, Albuterol and T3. Since the body metabolism go to even a lower phase than it was originally was after the cycle. DNP is quite the opposite. What are your inputs in this point?

From personal experience, I did not get any rebound when I stopped T3. However, my diet and training was in check since I knew my thyroid would take some time to start producing T3 again. I guess a rebound could happen if you're not careful enough. Again, read up on DNP; you really seem to be tempted by this product. Remember that this is the most hardcore fatburner and there's real bad stories about it.. Again, my advice is don't take it, there's better alternative. I never ran albuterol, I saw some good reviews on it. Its not magical, diet has to be set up. If you don't like the idea of dieting, you can go with IIFYM diet; I've seen people contest prep with this kind of diet and get awesome results. Remember, the goal of a fat burner is to create a greater calorie deficit.. so you have to be in a calorie deficit to start with.. or at least at maintenance.

Don't you risk a chance of losing some serious mass in t3?
Obviously you will on any type if cut but I've heard t3 will cause
Rapid mass and strength koss

Yeah if you run it without any anabolic and at a high dose, you will lose muscle and strength. I've seen studies suggesting that muscle catabolism happen over 60mcg/day (when natural). With an anabolic in the mix I can garantee you can run a higher dose without any risk. I wouldn't go over 100mcg tho because of hunger issue.

 

[bigben66]

Hey, thanks for the information. The thing is, I am still to consider using steroids, I have yet to even come close to my natural potential, so TEST is out of the equation.
What I like the most about DNP is that it is not a hormone, it does not interfere with body functions and chemicals, and your body doesn't adapt. Meaning that once getting off the cycle, there is nothing to worry about.

Dude, listen to these guys... DNP is potentially a killer!
Get yourself in a calorie deficit, and try out Austinite's fat burning stack before you dabble in all of these hardcore drugs...
You say you've been training a long time - so therefore you will have mixed with a lot of guys who have had great results naturally... rather than look on here for a dangerous shortcut - talk to them, ask how they did it - yes, a few of them might have dabbled, but I guarantee a few will have done it with diet and hard work.

FYI: I got in my avatar shape by carb cycling, fasted cardio, and austinite's fat burning stack...

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/658413-austinite-s-fat-loss-stack.html

 

[vasasa]

Do I even stand a chance of getting a bf lower than %10 when I am originally a fat person?

 

[bigben66]

Do I even stand a chance of getting a bf lower than %10 when I am originally a fat person?

With the right diet, training and a positive mindset, most definitely YES!

 

[SamSport]

Do I even stand a chance of getting a bf lower than %10 when I am originally a fat person?

You seem to doubt of your ability to lose fat. It is easy when you understand how it works. It just take time; but if you follow your plan without cheating, you will get there. It all comes down to the calorie deficit, without a calorie deficit, fatloss is impossible. (fatloss drugs simply induce a greater calorie deficit). The hardest part to accept is that it takes time, and posts like yours a extremely common. Hell, every1 want to lose fat quickly, I'd like to; but it doesn't work that way, sadly.. Do you lack motivation ? if you do, a coach or a friend that guides you and motivates you would be profitable. Or even make a transformation thread here on Ology, post up pics and every1 will be happy to help with whatever question you have. You can ask advice to 3J in the diet section, he has a sticky where you can ask questions; he knows whats up

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

You need to stay away from DNP, alot of the info you have posted here about it proves that you know next to nothing about how it works.

Hey,
From my humble basic knowledge CLEN is the strongest, then DNP.
What are your opinions on this and what are other drugs that has interesting fat burning abilities.

DNP is stronger than anything on the market by a million miles, then a t3/clen combo, then clen by itself, then ec stack and finally albuterol/synephrine/yohimbe, etc.

The fact that you thought clen was stronger than DNP, and you haven't used any cutting drugs before, proves that you shouldn't be going anywhere near it.

ephedra (good drug, not great to BURN fat BUT great to control your appetite).

Ephedrine is one of the best fat mobilizers around, it has the ability to get the fat out of the cells & make them available to be used for energy. In other words, its not simply an appetite suppressant - its a very good thermogenic.

What I like the most about DNP is that it is not a hormone, it does not interfere with body functions and chemicals, and your body doesn't adapt. Meaning that once getting off the cycle, there is nothing to worry about.

DNP does interfere with how your body functions, and your body DOES adapt to it over time.
Again, you don't know anything about DNP so don't touch it.

I have heard a lot of stories about people gaining weight back after CLEN, Albuterol and T3. Since the body metabolism go to even a lower phase than it was originally was after the cycle. DNP is quite the opposite. What are your inputs in this point?

This is complete nonsense, your metabolism is going to drop when your losing weight regardless of what compounds your using. Certain things accelerate the drop in metabolism (too much cardio, etc) but some drop is still inevitable.

As for people gaining weight afterwards, that's because they haven't adjusted their calories to maintenance properly. The compounds aren't to blame for poor diet plans.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/658413-austinite-s-fat-loss-stack.html

Not a fan of this stack to be honest - chromium is overrated and there are better OTC alternatives to EGCG.

Do I even stand a chance of getting a bf lower than %10 when I am originally a fat person?

There is no such thing as a person who cannot get into single digit bf, NO SUCH THING.
There are ALOT of excuses available for you to use: my genetics suck, I was born fat, my metabolism is slow, my hormones are messed up, etc.

Its all complete bullshit.


As a beginner to cutting drugs, I suggest you supplement with a simply yet effective EC stack alongside a caloric deficit, adequate protein intake & training.
Also, please stay away from DNP...I know more than most people on here about DNP and trust me when I say you know nothing about it & your not an ideal candidate for its use.
This isn't personal, its just fact

 

[vasasa]

You need to stay away from DNP, alot of the info you have posted here about it proves that you know next to nothing about how it works.



DNP is stronger than anything on the market by a million miles, then a t3/clen combo, then clen by itself, then ec stack and finally albuterol/synephrine/yohimbe, etc.

The fact that you thought clen was stronger than DNP, and you haven't used any cutting drugs before, proves that you shouldn't be going anywhere near it.




Ephedrine is one of the best fat mobilizers around, it has the ability to get the fat out of the cells & make them available to be used for energy. In other words, its not simply an appetite suppressant - its a very good thermogenic.




DNP does interfere with how your body functions, and your body DOES adapt to it over time.
Again, you don't know anything about DNP so don't touch it.




This is complete nonsense, your metabolism is going to drop when your losing weight regardless of what compounds your using. Certain things accelerate the drop in metabolism (too much cardio, etc) but some drop is still inevitable.

As for people gaining weight afterwards, that's because they haven't adjusted their calories to maintenance properly. The compounds aren't to blame for poor diet plans.



Not a fan of this stack to be honest - chromium is overrated and there are better OTC alternatives to EGCG.



There is no such thing as a person who cannot get into single digit bf, NO SUCH THING.
There are ALOT of excuses available for you to use: my genetics suck, I was born fat, my metabolism is slow, my hormones are messed up, etc.

Its all complete bullshit.


As a beginner to cutting drugs, I suggest you supplement with a simply yet effective EC stack alongside a caloric deficit, adequate protein intake & training.
Also, please stay away from DNP...I know more than most people on here about DNP and trust me when I say you know nothing about it & your not an ideal candidate for its use.
This isn't personal, its just fact

I don't really understand why people keep pushing away from DNP, I have heard from many people that it's dangers are overrated.
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/112234-massive-dnp-info.html
This post indicate that DNP is not as dangerous as people make it.
+

"DNP is non-hormonal and thus fat loss is easier to maintain"

"Weight loss is semi-permanent!:

I and many other people have noticed that after a DNP-cycle even after months less than 50% of the weight loss is gained back.
(And that is even with crappy training and diet)
While common rule in dieting is that the more weight one loses in a
short time span, the more likely he/she is to gain all that weight back plus even a bit more fat most of the times (the dreaded YOYO-effect!!).

Also this research confirms that 3 obese people (2 men and a women) after
long term T3 and DNP supplementation lost a lot of weight and managed
TO KEEP IT OFF!

forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...30&postcount=4

As to so many cases of people not experiencing a drastic rebound with DNP
(anything that guarantees under 50% of the weight loss gained back is an effective diet-aid in my opinion) it got me thinking as to WHY...

So a simple theory which I came up with:

DNP is so dangerous, because it doesn't involve in a feedback system
(meaning if there is to much present in the blood there is no way the body can combat that).
Also it is non-hormonal
(hormonal systems always have a feedback-mechanism).

This means that it doesn't affect your body's "setpoint"
(which is what your body thinks is your "healthy" weight and thus always wants to return to that point).

Some mechanisms in the "setpoint" are still unknown but it mostly has to do with dopamine/adrenaline and the various Neuropeptides
(especially B, K and Y that all regulate appetite).

The "setpoint" is best adjusted if weightloss is as gradually as possible
(phentermine users always get the yo-yo effect meaning all the lost weight
+ some new fat comes back after discontinuance; not only because fat is lost so rapidly but mainly because it affects all those "setpoint" features and after discontinuance they will try to regain homeostasis!).

DNP has no (significant) role in manipulating the "setpoint"
(meaning your body will not feel the urge to gain some weight after discontinuance).
Also it competes with T3, meaning after you stop DNP, T3 will peak
(instead of like with most diets; will be on low)
couple that with the fact that it is not catabolic
(actually a bit anti-catabolic for that matter) so your BMR stays
rougly the same after the DNP-cycle.

And the conclusion confirms the reality -->
Fat loss induced by DNP is not likely to come back for a significant part!

Note:
Most people supplement certain compounds with DNP -->
I for instance take Sibutramine, T2, T3 and an ECY which are
most likely to be the MAIN cause of the "gained weight afterwards"
due to the KNOWN disturbance of some processes in the body's metabolism by these ancillaries."

That basically says that unlike CLEN and other stuff, DNP will not cause a drop in the metabolism or gaining weight back. It says that it's unlikely that I will have a harder time in the future to lose weight, and that exactly what happens with other stuff. Once someone stop using DNP, that's it. They return to their normal person, it wont be more difficult to lose weight for them in the future. While the exact opposite will happen with other stuff. TBH I wasn't thinking about using any drugs in my bodybuilding career, but DNP is so tempting since it wont cause any long terms effect/ruining potential/hardens future dieting.

I don't think I need to dig deep about how it works, 1 pill of 250mg crystal DNP every 24 hours, after 5 day, I will consider upping the dose to 250mg every 18 hours for 5 more days.
Thats it

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I don't really understand why people keep pushing away from DNP, I have heard from many people that it's dangers are overrated.

Its dangers are overrated because 90% of people who use it are complete idiots who haven't got a clue what they're doing. I'm inclined to include you in that camp because clearly your determined to use it because you think reading a few forum threads gives you sufficient knowledge about DNP.

That basically says that unlike CLEN and other stuff, DNP will not cause a drop in the metabolism or gaining weight back. It says that it's unlikely that I will have a harder time in the future to lose weight, and that exactly what happens with other stuff. Once someone stop using DNP, that's it. They return to their normal person, it wont be more difficult to lose weight for them in the future. While the exact opposite will happen with other stuff. TBH I wasn't thinking about using any drugs in my bodybuilding career, but DNP is so tempting since it wont cause any long terms effect/ruining potential/hardens future dieting.

If you actually bothered to keep reading through that thread, you would notice that an expert on DNP called "concilliator" rubbished the information posted by DocJ to begin with.
The bullshit about DNP not affecting any feedback systems is a THEORY, as in it hasn't been proven.
I've read the actual studies on DNP and have seen nothing to suggest it prevents weight regain. I've seen many people gain the weight back because they don't adjust their diets & think that DNP allows them to eat crap all day long - it doesn't.

I don't think I need to dig deep about how it works, 1 pill of 250mg crystal DNP every 24 hours, after 5 day, I will consider upping the dose to 250mg every 18 hours for 5 more days.
Thats it

Yea...no it isn't.
How much water are you going to drink? what are the key supplements to avoid cataracts? How are you going to monitor your temperature? How are you goin to deal with fatigue? How are you going to deal with the carb cravings? Have you even heard of the most serious of side effect of DNP relating to your nerve function?

Dude everything you've stated about DNP on this thread is bullshit - a bunch of info you've gathered from forums that came from a google search.
I've used DNP twice (successfully), I've read the actual scientific studies on it, but why listen to me right? I know everything there is to know about fat loss but hey who cares about that

Clearly you've decided to take DNP, which makes me question why you bothered to create a thread in the first place. I guarantee you wont see the results you expect from it but whatever.

Good luck.

 

[tonyyayo14]

don't run dnp dude. I did and I knew jack shit about it. i walked away very lucky. work on ya diet.