Suggestions on HCG (while or after the cycle)

mikelaurey

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I'm 35 and I should start my first real cycle on May.
I usually do my blood works and the average of my testo levels is about 350 ng/dl. Last year, I had my blood works on August and I was able to reach 450ng/dl! Other times, I had 290-300 ng/dl.
Few years ago, my doctor suggested me to try Testo 250mg/20 days for three months and my life really changed a lot.

Unfortunately, the doctor decided to stop the therapy and so I couldn't inject anymore.
After having studied a little bit the TRT and read several topics on this forum, I understand that it is a non-sense to inject 250mg every 20 days and it is very stupid to not suggest any HCG teraphy even after this short cycle.
In fact, i suffered of low testo symptoms for 30-40 days after the last injection (depression, fatigue).

However, I would like to start a 12 weeks cycle and I was thinking to do this:

250 mg/ 14 days for 12 weeks (on Monday every other week)
0.5 mg of Anastrozole three days per week, each week
500IU of HCG (choriomon) once a week, three weeks ON, three weeks OFF, for all the cycle

After the cycle, 50mg/day of Clomiphene for three weeks.

Do you think is it a correct cycle?
On september I decided with my wife to have a child so I would like to avoid to have fertility problems.
At the moment, my fertility exams are perfect (there were so even during the 3 months cycle).

What do you suggest?
Someone suggested to use HMG instead of HCG, is it correct/mandatory?
Thank you a lot!

P.S. I could increase the Anastrozole quantity if the blood works results will highlight that the estrogen levels are high.
 
so why did this genius of doctor decided to stop your testosterone pinning when you where feeling great?

he did that to keep you on the hook and your insurance bleeding for his 7 bedroom house that he just bought in the bahamas with his hoes.
doctors today are drug dealers for the pharma companies. that is all. and they will have to pay with blood when it comes time to answer for their sins.

the first Oath of medicine is DO NO HARM.

and these dushbags take an oath too. That is real and they will have to answer for keeping all their patients hooked on drugs and sick so they can get paid to pay for their vices.
 
I'm 35 and I should start my first real cycle on May.
I usually do my blood works and the average of my testo levels is about 350 ng/dl. Last year, I had my blood works on August and I was able to reach 450ng/dl! Other times, I had 290-300 ng/dl.
Few years ago, my doctor suggested me to try Testo 250mg/20 days for three months and my life really changed a lot.

Unfortunately, the doctor decided to stop the therapy and so I couldn't inject anymore.
After having studied a little bit the TRT and read several topics on this forum, I understand that it is a non-sense to inject 250mg every 20 days and it is very stupid to not suggest any HCG teraphy even after this short cycle.
In fact, i suffered of low testo symptoms for 30-40 days after the last injection (depression, fatigue).

However, I would like to start a 12 weeks cycle and I was thinking to do this:

250 mg/ 14 days for 12 weeks (on Monday every other week)
0.5 mg of Anastrozole three days per week, each week
500IU of HCG (choriomon) once a week, three weeks ON, three weeks OFF, for all the cycle

After the cycle, 50mg/day of Clomiphene for three weeks.

Do you think is it a correct cycle?
On september I decided with my wife to have a child so I would like to avoid to have fertility problems.
At the moment, my fertility exams are perfect (there were so even during the 3 months cycle).

What do you suggest?
Someone suggested to use HMG instead of HCG, is it correct/mandatory?
Thank you a lot!

P.S. I could increase the Anastrozole quantity if the blood works results will highlight that the estrogen levels are high.

is this dushbag doctor still around? will he know about this cycle?
 
No guys, he won't know about this cycle because I'm sick of him!
After the first injection, he asked me:
D: "How are you feeling?"
Me: "I'm fine! really fine! I'm feeling very good!"
D: " OK, let's do other 3 injections and then stop!"
This is crazy!

I tried to ask him why he didn't consider any PCT after my first cycle, I tried to get answers from him but I had no success.
I made him read some scientific papers on pubmed, but it has been a total loss!

I went to another doctor and he told me: OK, I can give you some supplements (ZN, Yohimbe, etc..) :scratchhe but I can't give you testo because you are pretty fine!
How can I be fine with 300 ng/ml??!

[I pay 250 USD for each visit to get nothing!]

So I decided to do it by myself, put on a very basic cycle and find out what happens.

I already bought the testosterone, but I didn't started because I wanna be sure to do the right things:

- should I consider to take HCG during the cycle?
- Anastrozole is OK even if I'm taking a very low testosterone dosage?
- should I use HMG?
 
No guys, he won't know about this cycle because I'm sick of him!
After the first injection, he asked me:
D: "How are you feeling?"
Me: "I'm fine! really fine! I'm feeling very good!"
D: " OK, let's do other 3 injections and then stop!"
This is crazy!

I tried to ask him why he didn't consider any PCT after my first cycle, I tried to get answers from him but I had no success.
I made him read some scientific papers on pubmed, but it has been a total loss!

I went to another doctor and he told me: OK, I can give you some supplements (ZN, Yohimbe, etc..) :scratchhe but I can't give you testo because you are pretty fine!
How can I be fine with 300 ng/ml??!

[I pay 250 USD for each visit to get nothing!]

So I decided to do it by myself, put on a very basic cycle and find out what happens.

I already bought the testosterone, but I didn't started because I wanna be sure to do the right things:

- should I consider to take HCG during the cycle?
- Anastrozole is OK even if I'm taking a very low testosterone dosage?
- should I use HMG?

your paying 250 dollars per visit to have him hook you to his drugs.
what a piece of shit man.
you better contact IMT here and have them sort you out and charge you a whole lot less.

by the way please go and kick your doctor in the balls around 1,000,000 times over and over.

why?
because this is exactly what he is doing to you right now.
 
the first rule of medicine is do no harm.
these doctors of today will have to anwer dearly for their grevious sins against humanity.
they take an oath man, that shit is serious and real and if you break that oath your in serious dog doo.
 
the first rule of medicine is do no harm.
these doctors of today will have to anwer dearly for their grevious sins against humanity.
they take an oath man, that shit is serious and real and if you break that oath your in serious dog doo.

especially doctors who keep people on cancer. litetary kill them bit by bit and drain their insurance and bank accounts empty before letting them go half dead and broke.
its sadistic bros.
the bible says, everyone shall know the truth as all hidden truths will come out........and, every knew shall bow and these negros will have to answer for their horrible sins against mankind, just for some folding money and thier 5 car garages and ski trips to Sweden at their challets.
 
No guys, he won't know about this cycle because I'm sick of him!
After the first injection, he asked me:
D: "How are you feeling?"
Me: "I'm fine! really fine! I'm feeling very good!"
D: " OK, let's do other 3 injections and then stop!"
This is crazy!

I tried to ask him why he didn't consider any PCT after my first cycle, I tried to get answers from him but I had no success.
I made him read some scientific papers on pubmed, but it has been a total loss!

I went to another doctor and he told me: OK, I can give you some supplements (ZN, Yohimbe, etc..) :scratchhe but I can't give you testo because you are pretty fine!
How can I be fine with 300 ng/ml??!

[I pay 250 USD for each visit to get nothing!]

So I decided to do it by myself, put on a very basic cycle and find out what happens.

I already bought the testosterone, but I didn't started because I wanna be sure to do the right things:

- should I consider to take HCG during the cycle?
- Anastrozole is OK even if I'm taking a very low testosterone dosage?
- should I use HMG?
having said that...
so is this a general practitioner or a TRT doc?
 
having said that...
so is this a general practitioner or a TRT doc?

No, it is a specialist! Actually, I went to several specialists by always obtaining the same result.

I do not think they act like that intentionally, my idea is that they know nothing about all this stuff!
They get payed the same both if they give good or bas advices so why act in this way? I guess because they never studied this kind of stuff!

I'm not a doctor, but I know that natural supplements can do NOTHING when you have low testosterone! (they do nothing in general, btw).
How can I specialist suggest to use Yohimbe to increase testosterone?!

However, what do you guys suggest?

The testo dosage is very low (250mg every two weeks, total 12/16 weeks), should I use the Choriomon during the cycle? Or only at the end of it?
 
No, it is a specialist! Actually, I went to several specialists by always obtaining the same result.

I do not think they act like that intentionally, my idea is that they know nothing about all this stuff!
They get payed the same both if they give good or bas advices so why act in this way? I guess because they never studied this kind of stuff!

I'm not a doctor, but I know that natural supplements can do NOTHING when you have low testosterone! (they do nothing in general, btw).
How can I specialist suggest to use Yohimbe to increase testosterone?!

However, what do you guys suggest?

The testo dosage is very low (250mg every two weeks, total 12/16 weeks), should I use the Choriomon during the cycle? Or only at the end of it?

specialist in TRT? so hes a TRT doc then. please be clear on this. where do you live?????
 
I live in Italy and yes he is a specialist in TRT, he's an endocrinologist.
I tried to set up visits with different endocrinologists and TRT specialists (always in Italy) and some of them are really popular in Europe, but they said almost the same thing.

Unfortunately, from my experience, I can say that in Italy there is a large ignorance about this topic. If your blood test reports testosterone >= 280 ng/ml then you are OK for them and they won't prescribe you any TRT.
I still remember when I went to the pharmacy to buy the testoviron: even the pharmacist asked me lots of questions before to sell me the vial, the first time he even had a call with my doctor to check if the prescription was correct.

I usually spend about 1 month/year in the USA and every time, in every city, I can see giant billboards and posters about TRT clinics almost everywhere so I know that in the USA the situation is totally different!
 
I live in Italy and yes he is a specialist in TRT, he's an endocrinologist.
I tried to set up visits with different endocrinologists and TRT specialists (always in Italy) and some of them are really popular in Europe, but they said almost the same thing.

Unfortunately, from my experience, I can say that in Italy there is a large ignorance about this topic. If your blood test reports testosterone >= 280 ng/ml then you are OK for them and they won't prescribe you any TRT.
I still remember when I went to the pharmacy to buy the testoviron: even the pharmacist asked me lots of questions before to sell me the vial, the first time he even had a call with my doctor to check if the prescription was correct.

I usually spend about 1 month/year in the USA and every time, in every city, I can see giant billboards and posters about TRT clinics almost everywhere so I know that in the USA the situation is totally different!

ok so you have stated that you can buy your own testosterone. do you need a doctors prescription to buy it?

if not i would buy it and pin myself.
get an independant blood lab to do your labs.
 
I live in Italy and yes he is a specialist in TRT, he's an endocrinologist.
I tried to set up visits with different endocrinologists and TRT specialists (always in Italy) and some of them are really popular in Europe, but they said almost the same thing.

Unfortunately, from my experience, I can say that in Italy there is a large ignorance about this topic. If your blood test reports testosterone >= 280 ng/ml then you are OK for them and they won't prescribe you any TRT.
I still remember when I went to the pharmacy to buy the testoviron: even the pharmacist asked me lots of questions before to sell me the vial, the first time he even had a call with my doctor to check if the prescription was correct.

I usually spend about 1 month/year in the USA and every time, in every city, I can see giant billboards and posters about TRT clinics almost everywhere so I know that in the USA the situation is totally different!

all said and done hes just trying to keep you hooked to his pinning and keep making that money for his hoes and challets on the riviera.
 
ok so you have stated that you can buy your own testosterone. do you need a doctors prescription to buy it?

if not i would buy it and pin myself.
get an independant blood lab to do your labs.

I already purchased 20 x 250mg vials and I can have by blood tests whenever I need without problems.
I purchased also Clomiphene citrate.

I will run again blood and sperm test to check by values before the cycle.

The idea was to pin myself every 14 days with 250 mg for a maximum of 12 or 16 weeks.
After the first week, I would have my blood tests to check the testosterone and E2 levels and evaluate if I need to take anastrozole (may be 0,5mg?!) to decrease the E2 levels.

After the last injection, I was planning to take clomiphene 50mg/day for three weeks.

Break for 2 months and then cycle again.

Can it be correct?

I heard lot of ppl suggest to use HCG (like Choriomon) during the cycle or right after the end of it to preserve the fertility and the testicles. Should I take it too?

all said and done hes just trying to keep you hooked to his pinning and keep making that money for his hoes and challets on the riviera.
He even didn't pin me directly, he always asked to a nurse close to is office to do that, he wasn't able to.
Another specialist told me that he couldn't inject me and that it was better to ask to a nurse at the hospital.
 
what on earth is maximum? never ever heard of that? how many diferent types of testosterones are in this?

and you do not have ovaries, so why do you want to take clomiphene? that stimulates ovaries so you can ovulate and have kids, dude. this will drive your estrogen levels through the roof.

and HCG should always be used during trt and cycles to keep the boys the right size.

Have you read the beginners cycle sticky thread
sounds like you realy need to learn about this for yourself instead of the bs your doctor fed you.

if you proceed with this plan you will destroy your test levels and your sides will be insane.

post your last blood labs here so i can see what your messed up levels are now please.
 
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My test levels changes depending on the period while FSH and LH are almost steady.

For example:

blood tests at the beginning of 2017
Total Testo = 2.69 ng/ml

blood tests on September 2017, 22 days after my last injection of 250 mg Testo
Free Testo : XXXXX
Total Testo : 7.59 nmol/L [range 9.72 - 38]
E2 : 49 pmol/L [range 37 - 132]
FSH : 0.6 U/L [range 1 - 14 ]
LH : 0.6 U/L [ range 1.5 - 9.2]
SHBG: : XXXXXX

blood tests on November 2017, 2 months after my last injection of 250 mg Testo
Free Testo : 9.1 pg/ml
Total Testo : 3.53 ng/ml [range 9.72 - 38]
E2 : XXXXX
FSH :2.8 mUI/ml [range 1 - 14 ]
LH :3.3 mIU/ml [ range 1.5 - 9.2]
SHBG: : XXXXXX

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blood tests on July 2018
Free Testo : 10.1 pg/ml [range 15 - 50]
Total Testo : 2.98 ng/ml
E2 : 30pg/ml
FSH : 3.6 mIU/ml
LH : 2.50 mIU/ml
SHBG: : 33nmol/l

blood tests on August 2019
Free Testo : 8.6 pg/ml
Total Testo : 4.3 ng/ml
E2 : XXXXXX
FSH : 4.7 mIU/ml
LH : 2.9 mIU/L
SHBG: : XXXXXX


I can't determine why some months my Testo levels are at 4 ng/ml and other months are close to the low range or even below!
However, I can really feel when they are lower because I have no sex drive and I have reduced strength.
I workout every day from 1 to 2.5 hours (it depends on the routine) and I can feel when I have low T since my recovery time is longer.

I've read the sticky topic about TRT and from what I can understand, the main aspect are:

- inject 100mg of Testo instead inject 200mg once every two weeks in order to keep the T levels more steady
- check the blood tests in order to see if E2 levels are increasing, if yes, then try to assume Anastrozole (0.5 mg/week)
- hCG should be considered too in order to avoid the testicles shrinking even if I didn't get what is the quantity and the frequency for it.

I was thinking to cycle the testo and not to continue it lifetime just because I was planning to have a child with my wife on september/october this year and I would like to avoid to have fertility problems.
Even if my T is not currently stable, my fertility is excellent at the moment so I don't want to screw it up.
It is for this reason that I was considering the hCG with the T.
 
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Our pharmacy actually has a new product available gonadorelin. They are being forced to bring in some new products because the FDA is trying to place severe restrictions on HCG. They did the same thing to rhGH, it used to be cheap before they outlawed compounding of the medication and now it is not affordable to the average person.

Basically HCG mimics the LH signal, but does not show on a blood test. Gonadorelin stimulates the hypothalamus and that makes your body naturally produce both LH and FSH that you could measure on a blood test. So after doing research and pondering it further it may be another blessing in disguise, like the peptides were for rhGH.

Anyways I brought it up so you and people reading could start to think about this, because it is highly probable that very soon HCG will be unaffordable for the average person.
 
Our pharmacy actually has a new product available gonadorelin. They are being forced to bring in some new products because the FDA is trying to place severe restrictions on HCG. They did the same thing to rhGH, it used to be cheap before they outlawed compounding of the medication and now it is not affordable to the average person.

Basically HCG mimics the LH signal, but does not show on a blood test. Gonadorelin stimulates the hypothalamus and that makes your body naturally produce both LH and FSH that you could measure on a blood test. So after doing research and pondering it further it may be another blessing in disguise, like the peptides were for rhGH.

Anyways I brought it up so you and people reading could start to think about this, because it is highly probable that very soon HCG will be unaffordable for the average person.

dully noted and thanks for sharing sir!
 
Our pharmacy actually has a new product available gonadorelin. They are being forced to bring in some new products because the FDA is trying to place severe restrictions on HCG. They did the same thing to rhGH, it used to be cheap before they outlawed compounding of the medication and now it is not affordable to the average person.

Basically HCG mimics the LH signal, but does not show on a blood test. Gonadorelin stimulates the hypothalamus and that makes your body naturally produce both LH and FSH that you could measure on a blood test. So after doing research and pondering it further it may be another blessing in disguise, like the peptides were for rhGH.

Anyways I brought it up so you and people reading could start to think about this, because it is highly probable that very soon HCG will be unaffordable for the average person.

Thank you for the tip! This is surely something to note!
 
Thank you for your job! I've read more about it on this website so I know what I am talking about!
 
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