I did a cycle of Katanadrol,which i cut short at 5 wks due to an injury, you can see my log..But even with diet on point you should cut some bf with cardio...These are not miracle drugs..It takes dedication I have been on point with everything since Oct and Im just starting to get where I want to be and thats 5 days a wk no breaks..And before you comment , I have 3 kids, School full time and Work full time