Sust and Deca cycle advice

jockonjuice

jockonjuice

Beauty
Age: 24
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 170
max Bench: 265
max squat(ass to grass): 325
max dead(romanian): 405

Running my 3rd cycle, have run sust with var, and test e with deca. I finished my post cycle 5 months ago, and I'm going to run Sust and Deca starting next week, I'll probably finish with winstrol, (not because I think it'll help shed fat, to keep my strength while I transition into post cycle therapy (pct))

This is what I am thinking, but if anybody has any advice, or if I'm going about my post cycle therapy (pct) wrong or anything, I would really appreciate some guidance:

weeks 1-12 Sust: 200mg - eod
weeks 1-12 Deca: 240mg - every 4 days
weeks 12-15 Winstrol (orals) - 50mg - ed
weeks 16-19 Clomid 50mg - eod
weeks 13-15 Nolvadex 20mg - eod
weeks 16-19 Nolvadex 40mg - ed

I would also like to try using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500ius/week throughout and maybe one week of 5000ius right before I start my serm... Is that necessary?

Thanks.
 
Do not start nolva week 13. Nolva with 19 noors is no no. Start three weeks after sust along with clomid. . One drawback to consider about Nolva is that it may cause progesterone receptors to become more sensitive. This means that while using progestins such as Deca or Tren, you may become more sensetive to progestin related gyno. I wouldn't run Winstrol (winny) at all let alone the end of a cycle when test starts to drop and e starts to rise.
 
Also I don't see an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or Progesterone Control!!! 170 on a third cycle? How's your diet? How much did you weight when you started?
 
I didn't know that, thanks.
What if I used something like dostinex instead of the nolvadex with my clomid? I know that dostinex is to treat progesterone levels, but does it work as an anti-estrogen as well?

I was sitting around 155-160. I did my first cycle when I was really young, and didn't eat, or post cycle therapy (pct) right. Basically just got fat.
My last cycle I ate a lot of protein, and only carbs in the morning, and pwo. Was trying to limit my bloat, and only add lean mass.
Obviously I wasn't too successful with those cycles, so I'm trying to figure everything out now so I can get the most out of this one.
 
jockonjuice said:
I didn't know that, thanks.
What if I used something like dostinex instead of the nolvadex with my clomid? I know that dostinex is to treat progesterone levels, but does it work as an anti-estrogen as well?

I was sitting around 155-160. I did my first cycle when I was really young, and didn't eat, or post cycle therapy (pct) right. Basically just got fat.
My last cycle I ate a lot of protein, and only carbs in the morning, and pwo. Was trying to limit my bloat, and only add lean mass.
Obviously I wasn't too successful with those cycles, so I'm trying to figure everything out now so I can get the most out of this one.
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Been there, done that. Look guy, your gonna need some caber for prolactin levels and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin for the estro. I'm also going to side with Herm on the fact that you don't need to run Winstrol (winny) that far past your test.

Have you considered an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast to help you get back online after the 19 Nor?

Oh yeah, your also going to want to run the test longer than the deca. By at least 2 weeks imo.
 
If I was to use dostinex and arimidex, how do you think I should integrate it into my cycle? (when, and how much)

I really would like to use hcg, unfortunately it's really hard to track down.
 
Nolva is ok in post cycle therapy (pct) because by then decas already out. Run adex at .25-.50 eod. Dostinex is caber and .50 Mon and .50 Thursday.
 
So does this look better?

week 1-12 sust: 200mg - eod
week 1-10 deca: 300mg - e4d
week 3-12 caber: 500mcg - e4d
week 3-14 Adex: 500mcg - eod
week 16-19 clomid: 50mg - eod
week 16: Nolva 20mg ed
week 17-19: Nolva 40mg ed
 
actually started HCGenerate from NTBM yesterday, heard some pretty decent reviews about that product on here, people say it mimics real HCG, def. my staple in cycles specially since if I buy Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I gotta buy at least 5 kits from my source which is $$$$
 
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jockonjuice said:
If I was to use dostinex and arimidex, how do you think I should integrate it into my cycle? (when, and how much)

I really would like to use hcg, unfortunately it's really hard to track down.
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actually started HCGenerate from NTBM yesterday, heard some pretty decent reviews about that product on here, people say it mimics real HCG, def. my staple in cycles specially since if I buy Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I gotta buy at least 5 kits from my source which is $$$$
 
size_matters said:
actually started HCGenerate from NTBM yesterday, heard some pretty decent reviews about that product on here, people say it mimics real HCG, def. my staple in cycles specially since if I buy Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I gotta buy at least 5 kits from my source which is $$$$
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bro stop it! No it doesn't not even.close. hcgenerate is a test booster. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a replacement for your natural LH (luteinizing hormone). LH is what your body produces to tell your testicles to produce natural testosterone. LH levels drop when using AAS. One has noting to do with the other. This is false information. When your on cycle and your nuts shrink let me know if hcgenerate helps. It boosts test bro. Natural test you don't have when your shutdown.
 
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Thanks for the info Herm, really useful to know, I will get real Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for my next cycle for sure
 
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