Sustanon 250 with Beast Epistane...

[k-daugh]

Hi Everyone,
First time poster long time reader!!
Im getting ready to hit my first cycle in about 6 years so I am very excited!!
I have 3 bottles of sustanon 250
3 bottles of B.E.A.S.T Epistane (90 ct) (18 mg)

Heres a look at my cycle
Week 1-10 54mg of Epistane ED
Week 2-9 750mg of Sustanon 250 (m-w-f)

PCT Im still working out exactly when to start it . I have liquid Novaldex and probably will stack an over the counter pct with a test booster of some sort ..I dont really have access to clomid or hcg.

I have done a cycle of sustanon and deca in the past and responded well to the sustanon . I have never done the Epistane . Its a pro hormone similar to an oral winny/anavar probably not as potent . Im just looking to lean out the sustanon and add some gains with it .

Also running oral creatine on workout days
and bullnox pre workout
metrx vitamin packs
fish oil capsules
milk thistle capsules


Anybody have any thoughts or critiques??? I am completely open for advice and or criticism... Also wanted thoughts on the Epistane and some help with my PCT ... Thanks Guys

 

[Atomsk]

i dont think you should run epistane for that long. i would MAYBE run it most at 8 weeks but even than i would maybe only use it for 6 weeks.

 

[k-daugh]

i dont think you should run epistane for that long. i would MAYBE run it most at 8 weeks but even than i would maybe only use it for 6 weeks.

Would this be because of the damage to the liver. Or a receptor problem . What type of side effects would be seeing after 6 weeks.

 

[huffy80]

Well with an oral, you are opening yourself up to more damage to liver, etc. Seems like most of the more harsh orals, 6 weeks is usually the threshold. I would stretch out your test to about 12-14 weeks as well and lower the dose to around 500-600mg/wk

I will let a vet with more knowledge chime in tho

 

[k-daugh]

Well with an oral, you are opening yourself up to more damage to liver, etc. Seems like most of the more harsh orals, 6 weeks is usually the threshold. I would stretch out your test to about 12-14 weeks as well and lower the dose to around 500-600mg/wk

I will let a vet with more knowledge chime in tho

Well as for the sustanon . I am really trying for the most bang for my buck and also just keeping it simple. 3 shots a week at 1cc per . I mean Ive been struggling with what you said though . Which would yield better results 750 mg a week for 8 weeks or 500 mg a week for 12 weeks. And as far as the Epistane again Im trying to keep it simple most people start with a small dosage and then ramp it up . I'm starting with a dosage and sticking with it throughout. I am doing the same with the sustanon. From the research that Ive done Epistane is rather mild . Im taking it with milk thistle and fish oil . Also Im assuming that stacking it with the Sustanon (sust) should keep my joints lubricated so it becomes an issue with the liver and not the joints. As far as shutdown Ill already be shut down from the Sustanon (sust) . So the question becomes how harsh is this particular compound on the liver . If one is disciplined with diet and support supps.
The main reason why I want to run Epistane throughout is to keep the gains slightly harder and more lean as well as the anti estrogen effects.

 

[buffg]

Well with an oral, you are opening yourself up to more damage to liver, etc. Seems like most of the more harsh orals, 6 weeks is usually the threshold. I would stretch out your test to about 12-14 weeks as well and lower the dose to around 500-600mg/wk

I will let a vet with more knowledge chime in tho

I agree with this. Additionally I would even argue that 6 weeks is long for an oral, i favor 4 at most (personally)

 

[k-daugh]

I agree with this. Additionally I would even argue that 6 weeks is long for an oral, i favor 4 at most (personally)

ok so what happens when i stop the Epistane after 6-8 weeks . I'm already four days in planning on starting the Sustanon (sust) next week . I'm open to any suggestions here If i stop the Epistane after the Sustanon (sust) kicks in then pick it up again towards the end of the cycle....What would be best. Im still leaning towards running the two in conjunction throughout . Epistane IMO is less harsh on the liver than heavy alcohol or drug abuse .

 

[Atomsk]

liver problems

 

[k-daugh]

liver problems[/
ok so stopping the Epi after 6 weeks through the cycle and continuing with the Sustanon (sust) would still cause liver problems . Also the brand I am taking Anabolic Technologies B.E.A.S.T. Epi-!8 has 100mg of milk thistle per pill which at 3 a day which is what im proposing is 300 mg of milk thistle plus i am taking a milk thistle on top of that for a total of about 600 mg per day

 

[buffg]

See thats really the problem, you cant say for sure "you will" or "you wont" "have liver problems" its a real gamble. The liver is an incredibly resilient organ, its very good at what it does. The problem is that after 6,8,10,12 weeks of an oral (or a month of drinking in another scenario), your liver may still be functioning totally normal and may for several years until one day...

We know that these drugs are highly hepatotoxic so its better to err on the side of caution (by a fairly wide margin IMO).

You will only use the oral as a "kick start" until the test kicks in. 4 weeks should be enough for this purpose.

 

[k-daugh]

so as far as the sustanon which would yield better results ....quality results .....500mg a week or 750 a week .I have 3 10ml bottles....Also ill meet you half way with the Epistane Ill run it for 6 weeks total at 54mg a day ...week 1 which Ive already started would be stand alone and then 5 weeks stacked with the sustanon....That should give a decent kick start and give a sufficient overlap ...without being overly toxic to the liver ....I mean I wont really have anything in place to control the bloat the last half of the cycle ...I dont want to completely do away with the water retention I just want to control it and maintain a quality look to the muscles

 

[k-daugh]

Also could anyone possibly help me pick up some quality clomid for my pct I have nolvadex and i can easily stack that with an otc pct product preferably id like to stack the three or clomid and nolvadex for four weeks and a with a test booster

 

[k-daugh]

i wanna do 3 shots a week either way so id need like little less than 3/4 cc three times per week puts me at about 560 mg a week maybe a little more maybe little less. that probably will stretch a bottle out to about 10 shots giving me about 10 weeks worth of sustanon with 3 bottles....does this sound right ...would the results be significant or do i get more results out of 3 1cc shots a week 750 mg a week for 8 weeks...

 

[buffg]

Also ill meet you half way with the Epistane

Ha, youll meet me halfway? Bud its your liver not a debate

Sent you a PM.

Good luck!

 

[k-daugh]

Ha, youll meet me halfway? Bud its your liver not a debate

Sent you a PM.

Good luck!

hahaha thats a riot !!!! My liver is probably f***ed up anyways from my late teen early twenty party stage ....Im actually thinking now of abandoning the Epi Sustanon (sust) stack all together ....Running Epi for 4 weeks because i already started it doing a pct ....waiting a few weeks while cleaning up my diet and nailing down my routine !!!!! I wanna save the Sustanon (sust) for a spring time cycle ....I wanna run lots of prop stacked with the Sustanon (sust) and some Anavar (var) and clen at the tail end or Anavar (var) all the way throughout...still putting it all together ...finding reliable sources etc. etc. i feel like this cycle has been rushed ...never a good thing to rush a cycle ....My current source just takes wayyyyyy too long and i still havent received my whole order ....its not an internet source either he's somewhat legit he just sucks to deal with ...

 

[k-daugh]

Ha, youll meet me halfway? Bud its your liver not a debate

Sent you a PM.

Good luck!

could you pm me your email so i can respond thanks bud

 

[buffg]

could you pm me your email so i can respond thanks bud

Not comfortable with that... just get 50 posts and you can PM on the board. Im more than happy to help you out. If its just thanks you want to say, i got the message and you're quite welcome.

 

[Avenger87]

Would this be because of the damage to the liver. Or a receptor problem . What type of side effects would be seeing after 6 weeks.

I'm on my first 3rd week with an oral, and went out for the first time while on. Had 1 drink the entire night - and definitely 'felt' something off in the morning. Just to give you some perspective as to why staying on an oral so long might be a bad idea.

 

[k-daugh]

Not comfortable with that... just get 50 posts and you can PM on the board. Im more than happy to help you out. If its just thanks you want to say, i got the message and you're quite welcome.

yeah no problem thanks for the help ..wasnt trying to harass..lol ...again thanks for the help

 

[DF1]

Can someone tell me where can I buy REAL sustanon 250 online, it's that possible? hel please. If you can't send names here could you please send it to my email:
r.now80 at Yahoo.com

PLEASE