Taken off TRT and put on HCG

[jomamma007]

he is serious, but it's not like they all take it lol.

Anyways Apollon what's the rule of thumb?
If you are able to get a 500 t level on hcg then proceed with clomid?

 

[Alpin]

he is serious, but it's not like they all take it lol.

Anyways Apollon what's the rule of thumb?
If you are able to get a 500 t level on hcg then proceed with clomid?

I'm not sure...
that's IMT's territory as they are way more experienced in restarts than me.
Personally I would try for at least 600 T before SERM therapy...

 

[WhiteDog]

You might wanna run HCG first to see if testes will respond...
You either make it or break it on HCG.
Am I right in assuming you are on 500 i.u. EOD = 1500 IU/week for HCG ?

I have been prescribed 1500 IU 3 times a week. So that would be 4500 iu for 7 days.
Each box comes with 3 vials containing 1500 iu's in each.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

HCG can be prescriber as high as 10,000 iu's a day.Some time is takes a while to get the boys back. IGF1-Lr3 is known to reverse atrophy. I ran it for a month after being on for a few years and got the wife pregnant in the first month.


My professional opinion is HCG for a month with igf1-lr3 for 2 months run Clomid for the second month with the IGF-1

 

[Alpin]

that's a high dose

 

[WhiteDog]

Blood work is what i need... will keep ya posted. Going to the Doc today.

 

[Alpin]

hope hes giving you an ai

 

[WhiteDog]

I will be requesting one, otherwise i have some Liquid stane i will start to use... I would rather get a prescription AI if i can. I am almost sure aromatisation is the problem...

 

[Alpin]

4500 i.u. HCG a week and no AI ?
wow!

 

[Alpin]

There's an old thread Austinite made somewhere saying anything over 500 i.u. HCG causes excess aromatization in testes and that adex cannot be beneficial in those cases where greater than 500 i.u. HCG doses are used.
Letrozol would be a better choice....at the most mild dose off course!!!
Cashout used Letro when he was doing his Restart at 2000 i.u. HCG EOD

 

[WhiteDog]

Results are in

Testosterone = 31 (8.0-27.9)
LH = 1
Oestradiol = 74 (28-158
LH/FSH Ratio 0.33

Dr has now requested a MIR scan of the Pituitary Glan which will be done this weekend.

 

[WhiteDog]

4500 i.u. HCG a week and no AI ?
wow!

Yes, it appears that i do not need an AI. Everyone is different i guess.

 

[jomamma007]

Is there a reason why your testosterone above range and your LH is so low?

I do believe letro is better for controlling intratesticular aromatisation but people seem to be fine using arimidex.

 

[WhiteDog]

Is there a reason why your testosterone above range and your LH is so low?

I do believe letro is better for controlling intratesticular aromatisation but people seem to be fine using arimidex.

I questioned the Endo about this and she said the LH will be low because the HCG mimics the LH, so your body stops producing it.
My testosterone is a little above range.. Not sure why but im not that concerned about that. The Endo didnt seem to concerned either.
It took me almost 6 months to get an appointment with this DR, she is suppose to be on of the best in her field.

 

[jomamma007]

I don't think thats right. Kinda makes sense but lh should be elevated , am i right?

Knock your girl up already so you can get back on test. You should test your estradiol as well as estrogen isnt as useful.

 

[WhiteDog]

According to the Endo, it is consistent with the medication i am taking. Maybe one of the vets could tune in and advise.

 

[IMT staff]

yes that is correct HCG is partially suppressive. your body thinks it has high levels of lh in the bloodstream because of the HCG and the negative feedback loop tells the pituitary to stop producing it.

HCG mimics lh in the body but does not show up as lh on a lab draw.

 

[WhiteDog]

yes that is correct HCG is partially suppressive. your body thinks it has high levels of lh in the bloodstream because of the HCG and the negative feedback loop tells the pituitary to stop producing it.

HCG mimics lh in the body but does not show up as lh on a lab draw.

Thanks IMT man, this is exactly how my Endo explained it to me. She is known as one of the best in the industry in Australia so i have faith in her.

Also, she was quite disappointed that my DR prescribed Testogel (Australian Anogel). She stated that this product is not only ineffective, it is down rite dangerous Due to risk of cross contamination. She will be scripting me up for injectables once i finish my HCG course