Taking control of your health with your doctor!

Spunkey71

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Went to see my doctor today and I went armed and prepared, I handed him several studies that I have seen posted on this site and told my doctor that I wanted HCG added to my protocol. My doctor has told me before that he doesn't prescribe HCG and would not consider it, he told me today that he was impressed that I had done my reseach and would look into it. I just got a call from his office (3 hours after seeing him this morning) and was told that he has written me a prescription and I could come by to pick it up any time.

It feels really good to take control of my health and my care and work WITH my doctor to come up with the ideal protocol for my care!
 
Went to see my doctor today and I went armed and prepared, I handed him several studies that I have seen posted on this site and told my doctor that I wanted HCG added to my protocol. My doctor has told me before that he doesn't prescribe HCG and would not consider it, he told me today that he was impressed that I had done my reseach and would look into it. I just got a call from his office (3 hours after seeing him this morning) and was told that he has written me a prescription and I could come by to pick it up any time.

It feels really good to take control of my health and my care and work WITH my doctor to come up with the ideal protocol for my care!

Congratulations. What do you intend to do with the prize money lol?? Good to hear about a doctor listening to his patient. Sounds like you're well in your way brother.
 
It is all about baby steps, this is a small victory and the next step is for him to allow self injections for my TRT dosage.
 
It is all about baby steps, this is a small victory and the next step is for him to allow self injections for my TRT dosage.

I hear that. The practice I use will prohibits self-injections because T is a controlled substance. I have to go every week for my shot because I have no interest in rub-ons or implants or any other method du jour. I reminded the administrator that so are all narcotics, some of which have a stricter classification than T, and that no one goes to that doc's office for their Vicodin dose. Argument noted and rejected.
It is an institutional decision that requires no rational defense. Apparently, those of us who take T by prescription for a documented hormonal imbalance are far more likely to abuse their carefully distributed medication than users of narcotic pain meds. That kind of institutional prejudice perpetuates a maddening stereotype that TRT = juicer.
I am seeing an endo doc next week who does permit self injections. I will inquire about HCG as well. Perhaps, Spunkey, you could link the resources you so effectively used to persuade your doc.
Much obliged and good luck.
 
now correct me if im wrong here (esp since im about to hop on hcg) but the need for hcg on trt is to combat adrenal fatigue??
 
now correct me if im wrong here (esp since im about to hop on hcg) but the need for hcg on trt is to combat adrenal fatigue??

From Dr. John Crisler's paper titled "An Update to the Crisler HCG Protocol"

Dr. Crisler said:
But there***8217;s another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones, glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or even partially, HPTA-suppressed.

It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their IM shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

I made this change after realizing that the previous HCG protocol was boosting serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise, approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of supporting serum androgen levels with HCG had overshot its mark.
 
I really wish Chrisler wasn't so cocky on the forums. Very smart man but makes it somewhat difficult to interact at times. He's spot on, though and has influenced several diagnostics agencies to change their printouts.
 
I really wish Chrisler wasn't so cocky on the forums. Very smart man but makes it somewhat difficult to interact at times. He's spot on, though and has influenced several diagnostics agencies to change their printouts.

If you want cocky take a look at Scally on his forums hahaha.
 
I hear that. The practice I use will prohibits self-injections because T is a controlled substance. I have to go every week for my shot because I have no interest in rub-ons or implants or any other method du jour. I reminded the administrator that so are all narcotics, some of which have a stricter classification than T, and that no one goes to that doc's office for their Vicodin dose. Argument noted and rejected.
It is an institutional decision that requires no rational defense. Apparently, those of us who take T by prescription for a documented hormonal imbalance are far more likely to abuse their carefully distributed medication than users of narcotic pain meds. That kind of institutional prejudice perpetuates a maddening stereotype that TRT = juicer.
I am seeing an endo doc next week who does permit self injections. I will inquire about HCG as well. Perhaps, Spunkey, you could link the resources you so effectively used to persuade your doc.
Much obliged and good luck.

Bolded. I too am curious what studies you brought with you. Unfortunately my doctor tends to have his eyes glaze over when I start reciting to him the HPTA effects on other systems, and how important it is to back-fill other pathways with an analog LH signal. I've yet to see something nice and simple that would prevent him from having that TL;DR response. :)
 
I have to look, but there was a study posted about a week ago from a member that I printed out and an article that I found that was posted a while back. I also made a list of bullet points from the different discussions on here of the benefits. When I went to pick up my prescription I spoke with the doctor and asked him what changed his mind, he told me that usually when he is asked about HCG it is from someone that wants to use HCG instead of Test injections which he believes to not be beneficial over the long term. He said no one has ever asked to use HCG along with Test injections and he doesn't see the harm in including it.

In conclusion it might not have been as much a case of me convincing him of the benefits of HCG as it was that there was some miscommunications as to how I would use the HCG (with Test injections as opposed to instead of Test Injections).

My doctor is not perfect as he will not allow me to self inject yet but I am very happy with his willingness to talk with me about my treatment instead of just saying no and not considering them.
 
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Bolded. I too am curious what studies you brought with you. Unfortunately my doctor tends to have his eyes glaze over when I start reciting to him the HPTA effects on other systems, and how important it is to back-fill other pathways with an analog LH signal. I've yet to see something nice and simple that would prevent him from having that TL;DR response. :)

Look up the "Update to Crisler's HCG protocol" or something like that. From one doctor to another haha
 
Just got back from the pharmacy, wow, a one month supply of HCG which my prescription coverege will not cover because they are a compounding pharmacy is a $80! Well what good is working hard and earning money if you can't spend it to improve your health!
 
Just got back from the pharmacy, wow, a one month supply of HCG which my prescription coverege will not cover because they are a compounding pharmacy is a $80! Well what good is working hard and earning money if you can't spend it to improve your health!

Not sure what your dosage is but from what I understand, that is CHEAP!!!
 
I take no more than 500 IU....
500 IU HCG EOD has my T.T. at 596 ng/dl after 2 weeks on it as a mono protocol.
Will retest in week 4 and week 6....
My E2 is slightly high....I am on ADEX 0.25 mg E4D and will bring it to E3D....
 
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