Test 400/Deca 200

[Cyborsteel]

Deca fears?

The steroid profiles section on Steroidology reads:

"Clearly Deca is a very safe choice among steroids. Actually, many consider it to be the best overall steroid for a man to use when weighing the side effects and results." and "Possibly the most popular steroid compound of the last few decades"

So why would anyone use it if no one knows how to tell where the sides are coming from?
Seems to me someone has to know to make it so "popular" or does everyone that take deca have no idea what they are doing really?
I have asked this on several "expert" sites and no one has any idea. (how to tell where the sides come from)

 

[drewbolic]

The steroid profiles section on Steroidology reads:

"Clearly Deca is a very safe choice among steroids. Actually, many consider it to be the best overall steroid for a man to use when weighing the side effects and results." and "Possibly the most popular steroid compound of the last few decades"

So why would anyone use it if no one knows how to tell where the sides are coming from?
Seems to me someone has to know to make it so "popular" or does everyone that take deca have no idea what they are doing really?
I have asked this on several "expert" sites and no one has any idea. (how to tell where the sides come from)

I think you are interpreting it the wrong way.
Stacking more than one compound on your first cycle is what is meant by its tough to tell which compound is causing sides.
First cycle test...see how your body reacts to testosterone,most all AS is made frome the male test hormone just slightly modified in different ways,thats why its important to know how your body will react to this.

 

[MotorIHead]

So i am starting my first injectable cycle i am only going to do 1cc a week for 12 weeks of test 400 and 10 weeks of deca, 1 cc, i was wondering if that is a good enough dose? or should i up it to 2 cc's a week? and is 12 weeks good enough? i guess i am just asking if this is a good enough cycle.

What test are u running ? Also need to know how many mgs/ml. Listen to the above don't run the deca on ur 1st cycle. Just run the straight test at least 400mg a week for 12 weeks. Pin twice a week. If u choose to run test and deca at a later date u need to be at 500mg test and 400mg deca a week, to see good results. Like they said above anything less than 300mg of deca with test is a waste of money.

 

[Cyborsteel]

I think you are interpreting it the wrong way.
Stacking more than one compound on your first cycle is what is meant by its tough to tell which compound is causing sides.
First cycle test...see how your body reacts to testosterone,most all AS is made frome the male test hormone just slightly modified in different ways,thats why its important to know how your body will react to this.

If you can't tell on your first cycle how all of a sudden can you tell on your 2nd...or 10th?

 

[CaptainRichArund]

200mg deca will barely even lube the joints
Here was my very first cycle.

25mg Dbol wks 1-4
500mg Test Enth wk 1-12
400mg Deca wks 1-12

Being this was my very first cycle I put on some serious size.

 

[MotorIHead]

If you can't tell on your first cycle how all of a sudden can you tell on your 2nd...or 10th?

What he's saying is, if u take 2 blends or more of AAS in ur 1st cycle. Then have a reaction or any other problems. U won't know which AAS is giving u complications. Take 1, if no problems then next cycle u can add. If u then have problems once u added something, u know which AAS is giving u problems. Where is if u took them both u wouldn't know. Get it ?

 

[MotorIHead]

200mg deca will barely even lube the joints
Here was my very first cycle.

25mg Dbol wks 1-4
500mg Test Enth wk 1-12
400mg Deca wks 1-12

Being this was my very first cycle I put on some serious size.

Good cycle..... For ur 2nd or 3rd maybe. I would not be taking all that gear for a 1st cycle, nor tell people they should. If I were u I would not say that on this forum either, ur just gonna get bashed mang.

 

[557mustang]

If you can't tell on your first cycle how all of a sudden can you tell on your 2nd...or 10th?

B/c if you don't get gyno with test only then you do get it from a test/deca stack then it's most likely prolactin induced...

 

[Cyborsteel]

Most likely?

B/c if you don't get gyno with test only then you do get it from a test/deca stack then it's most likely prolactin induced...

So as I have discovered so far it is still anybody's guess right? What if first cycle you took 400mg test no problems then 2nd you took 500 +250 deca and had sides. You would just be guessing that it was the deca,take a anti P,and take a chance on letting E sides progress to something bad.
So with all the experience out there still isn't anything but guessing on this subject.
I again wonder again why deca is so "popular" when all you can do is guess at the sides when stacked. This must be the unanswerable question.

 

[MotorIHead]

So as I have discovered so far it is still anybody's guess right? What if first cycle you took 400mg test no problems then 2nd you took 500 +250 deca and had sides. You would just be guessing that it was the deca,take a anti P,and take a chance on letting E sides progress to something bad.
So with all the experience out there still isn't anything but guessing on this subject.

It's not a guess. It's quite obvious, the only thing u added was deca so that's the problem.

 

[Cyborsteel]

Note

Also added 100mg test. So you're saying because you got no sides from your first or second cycle of test means you can eliminate test being the problem in any future cycles?
Sorry but that does sound like a guess.

 

[Cyborsteel]

Not yet

I still have not ever heard of anyone that could tell how to distinguish between E gyno and P gyno,(excluding doctor tests) so you know exactly what to treat.Is there anyway besides process of hopeful elimination?

 

[MotorIHead]

^^^^^^^^ Someone else help, I'm done....

 

[Cyborsteel]

Don't be upset

I am frustrated also, I have been on several forums that seem to have expert answers for everything and cannot directly answer this question, So I am not surprised.

 

[TM4N]

What test are u running ? Also need to know how many mgs/ml. Listen to the above don't run the deca on ur 1st cycle. Just run the straight test at least 400mg a week for 12 weeks. Pin twice a week. If u choose to run test and deca at a later date u need to be at 500mg test and 400mg deca a week, to see good results. Like they said above anything less than 300mg of deca with test is a waste of money.

Testibol 400 - 400mg/ml
Deca 200 - 200mg/ml

 

[topbod]

Testibol 400 - 400mg/ml
Deca 200 - 200mg/ml

that is what we are going to run, for the first cycle but we are doing 400mg test and 300mg deca, for the first i dont wanna do 400mg deca b/c that means you'll have to up your test, so as i stated above that is what we will be doing besides i've herd of people seeing good results with 300mg deca.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Clomid 300 200 100 50 50 50
Nolva 40 20 20 10

these doses are too high-especially for the clomid-your going to be crying like a pregnant girl

 

[topbod]

these doses are too high-especially for the clomid-your going to be crying like a pregnant girl

haha we will bring it down to 100mg of clo, but does the cycle look okay? and can i expect some gains from this cycle? at 400mg test and 300mg deca?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

greazy wouldnt steer you wrong bro-he is a good guy.......he says he makes good gains on 300mg deca.

I dont know if i need higher doses or if im just impatient-but i ran my test @ 500mg on my first cycle and at week 6-7 i upped it to 750. I havent went below that since. i problably wouldnt run deca any lower than 400-at the least. So i dont know bro-to each his own.

i didnt like my NPP @ 350 mg a week-i liked it at 525. so everybody is completely different. youll just have to see.

sorry i couldnt give you a straight answer-when people say diet is the key they are not lying-it means everything. My strength fluctuates depending on my carb intake. so just make sure you eat eat eat-i feel like a prisoner in my home sometimes0im afraid to leave the fridge-if im gone for the day-i can easily spend 100bucks on food on just myself eating out. k im done preaching-eat big-go big in the gym-and dont look back.

 

[topbod]

greazy wouldnt steer you wrong bro-he is a good guy.......he says he makes good gains on 300mg deca.

I dont know if i need higher doses or if im just impatient-but i ran my test @ 500mg on my first cycle and at week 6-7 i upped it to 750. I havent went below that since. i problably wouldnt run deca any lower than 400-at the least. So i dont know bro-to each his own.

i didnt like my NPP @ 350 mg a week-i liked it at 525. so everybody is completely different. youll just have to see.

sorry i couldnt give you a straight answer-when people say diet is the key they are not lying-it means everything. My strength fluctuates depending on my carb intake. so just make sure you eat eat eat-i feel like a prisoner in my home sometimes0im afraid to leave the fridge-if im gone for the day-i can easily spend 100bucks on food on just myself eating out. k im done preaching-eat big-go big in the gym-and dont look back.

Thanks man and i might just do 1 cc for the first 6 weeks and if it's doing great gains i wont bump it up, but if not i will do 1.5 cc thanks for the info man.
i'll post pics for sure of my before and after.