Test, Clomid on Cycle?

[GotEmAll]

Alright guys I would appreciate some input for those that can offer some.

Useing Test will obviously shut me down on cycle. And even though testicular shutdown is reversible once Im done Id rather have the least amount of shutdown possible.

I know everyone is going to say the best way to prevent this is by using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), that I know already. However I have been unable to get my hands on this nifty little tonic. I have no clue where to get it and my street doctor can't seem to get it either.

So here is my question;What if I used some clomid while "on" cycle? according to the author of this he recommends the use of it while on cycle can help prevent complete shutdown.
The steroid profile says:
"Clomid and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) are also occasionally used periodically during a steroid cycle, in an effort to prevent natural testosterone levels from diminishing"

So has anyone ever used clomid by itself while on cycle to try and prevent testicular shutdown? Does anyone have any advice on the matter.

Once again I know everyone will be thinking HGC is the way to go, but once agian, I have had no luck getting that stuff, so I need an alternitive,

Thanks for the help

 

[g1234]

clomid during a cycle will not help against HPTA shutdown, its just a SERM so it will only help against gyno -- just like nolvadex would (but in much smaller doses)
HCG during cycle will prevent atrophy

 

[GotEmAll]

clomid during a cycle will not help against HPTA shutdown, its just a SERM so it will only help against gyno -- just like nolvadex would (but in much smaller doses)
HCG during cycle will prevent atrophy

Yes I know that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during cycle will help prevent atrophy, Its the best thing to use. However like I said before, I cannot find this thing, not even my steet doc has it.
What I am looking for is some sort of an alternative, something that will offer some sort of help against total Nut shutdown.

According to the article that the guy wrote how he has used, and according to the steroid profile, they say that clomid stimulates your Nuts to produce test.

Now maybe clomid doesn't have the same 100% effect that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does;
But if lets say that clomid can keep my Nuts running at say 25%, hell I'll take 25% over 0% any day.


With that said my post is to know if anyone has ever used clomid on cycle and has it helped? It seemed to have work for the authur of the article.

So any other input would be appreciated.

 

[g1234]

I think you misunderstand something

Clomid (or SERMs generally) will only help at restoring your natural production of testosterone faster if the levels in your body are too low, eg during PCT.. Now if you are on cycle it wont make it: you already have too much testosterone running in your body.

HCG work from another side, it doesnt restore testosterone levels, it only makes your balls ready to start production when they see the levels are too low.

Natural production will not be restored in both cases (you know that already) but Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can make your balls grow back to normal size and ready to restart production ONCE the cycle stops. SERMs can help to make this restart go faster.

 

[g1234]

I can answer you from another point of view.. Take clomid and nolvadex, both compounds are structurally alike and are both SERMs. Many many people use nolvadex during cycles with aromatized steroids because it is much stronger at lower doses, for example to prevent gyno, but they still experience atrophy.. SERMs only work if androgens levels are low

 

[needsize]

everything i have ever read over the years has said that the only thing clomid will do while "on" is help with bigger loads during sex, that it wont do anything as far as test production

 

[FerrariF50]

are you trying to prevent hpta shutdown or trying to prevent testicular atrophy?

there's a difference and not always related.

i think it would be pointless to try and prevent hpta shutdown with clomid, at the doses of exogenous test that we typically use.

 

[GotEmAll]

are you trying to prevent hpta shutdown or trying to prevent testicular atrophy?

there's a difference and not always related.

i think it would be pointless to try and prevent hpta shutdown with clomid, at the doses of exogenous test that we typically use.

I see... I would like the testes to keep working not completly to stop doing what they are supposed to be doing, thats what I was looking for.

On the article that I posted the guy wrote the folllowing:
"Another side effect of testosterone supplementation is testicular shutdown. The body senses all of the excess testosterone in your system and decides to stop producing its own. This causes your testicles to shrink and your sperm count to decrease significantly. The use of clomiphine citrate (more commonly known as clomid) can prevent this from happening. Clomid stimulates your body to keep producing its own testosterone"

Thats what the guy wrote, so thats what I was trying to verify if the clomid could actually do.

 

[GotEmAll]

everything i have ever read over the years has said that the only thing clomid will do while "on" is help with bigger loads during sex, that it wont do anything as far as test production

Bigger Loads you say, while using clomid while "on"? If the Nuts where able to produce bigger loads, would that mean that they where still working? Doing there job, making sperm and testastarone?

 

[Shredzone]

Bro I've always ran clomid

 

[Shredzone]

I've always ran clomid on cycle. Never without. You do 50mg every other day which for me seems to trick my hpta into ticking on. I've never experienced testicular atrophy while on gear. The most I've done though is sustanone 1g per week, EQ at 800mg per week, primo at 500mg per week and anadrol as at 50mg everyday for first month of cycle. My cycles are usually quite long are drawn out giving the type of compounds I'm on.

 

[Shredzone]

I've always taken clomid on cycle. I think it really helps but you have to use it as soon as you start using the gear. I feel that it tricks my hpta into ticking. I have never experienced testicular atrophy. Also it prevents formation of gyno symptoms to some degree which I also have never had a problem with. I usually cycle with sus, eq and primo with an anadrol kick start. My hpta recovered within about a month although I did use hcg two weeks after my last pin aswell. But yea give it a try. I personally wouldn't run a cycle without clomid every other day. Only thing to be weary of is emotional backlash of clomid once your off the gear. While your on it doesn't effect you but when you come off that first month can be emotionally dreadful. You'll feel like a pregnant woman for at least 2 - 3 weeks lol.

Well anyhow best of luck mate, let me know how you get along. If you want anything clarifying further let me know.