Test/Deca 2nd cycle..critiques?

[b_pizzle]

Whats up guys. One cycle under my belt as of April. Test E 500mg/wk, 12 wks. Great cycle, great gains. Did have some gyno flare up but I've been extremely sensitive to gyno since my dumb ass decided to take a PH right out of high school. It's doesn't show anymore but the lumps are still there ever so slightly, and I know they'll come back with a vengeance if I don't take the proper precautions. Looking to start my second cycle with test and deca and I'm pretty stoked to get back in the game (been slacking a little because of school). Here's what I have planned as of right now and by all means feel free to shit on me if it looks like I'm fucking up. Just so long as you're still helping me :]

Test E 500mg/wk 1-12 weeks

Deca 300-400mg??/wk 1-10 or maybe 1-12??

HCG 500iu/wk up until 3-4 days prior to PCT

Arimidex .5mg EOD 1-14 weeks stopping right before PCT on Wk 15 (maybe even 1mg EOD because I'm so sensitive to gyno?)

Raloxifene 60mg daily

Caber (whats the most optimal protocal?)

PCT- starting 2 weeks after last injection correct?
Nolva- 40/40/20/20 Wks 15-18
Clomid- 50/50/50/50 Wks 15-18


Okay so I wanted to hit test for 500mg/wk like I did my first cycle. Deca is up in the air was thinking 300mg or 400mg/wk? Whats your opinion? Also I wanted to be on the safe side with the adex. I did .5mg first cycle and I still got gyno symptoms so was thinking maybe 1mg EOD? Also wanted to throw in the ralox 60mg. It is a SERM so it shouldn't be overkill right? Finally caber. Never taken it before but thought it might be necessary for the 19-nor deca? What were the best protocals to follow on that? Thanks guys if you read all of this and help me out it is much appreciated!!

 

[luckypaul]

Caber would be used if you lactate. 300mg deca I doubt it. Careful with the AI. If you can reduce it without problems do. Most important , get bloods so you know where you stand.

Enjoy brother, deca is a long time favorite for mass cycles imo. Just discontinue use 3 weeks before you end your cycle so you can start pct sooner.

12 weeks is short. Try 15 and end with test prop the last 3 weeks.

 

[Onk]

Caber would be used if you lactate. 300mg deca I doubt it. Careful with the AI. If you can reduce it without problems do. Most important , get bloods so you know where you stand.

Enjoy brother, deca is a long time favorite for mass cycles imo. Just discontinue use 3 weeks before you end your cycle so you can start pct sooner.

12 weeks is short. Try 15 and end with test prop the last 3 weeks.

Wtf kind of advice are you spouting?

If you have issues with gyno then running the test lower and deca higher may prove better cycle.

Please don't use test p the last few weeks as this will make your AI dosage near impossible. I'd personally go test 13 weeks. Dec 12 weeks. Pct in week 16

 

[b_pizzle]

Wouldn't I want caber to prevent prolactin induced gyno? 300mg to high? What would be more appropriate for a second cycle? And thought I'd switch out arimidex with exemestane 12.5 mg EOD? And yes I've gotten pre and mid cycle bloods for my first cycle everything came back perfect, which were I was stumped. Estradiol wasn't out of the norm at all. Thanks for the help!

 

[tbonexl]

Aromasin should be taken daily. If estrogdn is in check, caber shouldn't be needed. 60mgs of ralox is a bit much for prevention. Try 30mgs daily. Keep caber on hand as mentioned though. You can start pct 18-21 days after last pin. 2 weeks might be a bit early...

 

[Matt0071]

Wtf kind of advice are you spouting?

If you have issues with gyno then running the test lower and deca higher may prove better cycle.

Please don't use test p the last few weeks as this will make your AI dosage near impossible. I'd personally go test 13 weeks. Dec 12 weeks. Pct in week 16

U are one.cocky motherfucker, in your avi u look like a little punck kid that needs his head ripped off
Caber is harsh shit, wtf would u need caber on.a light dose of deca anyways. Caber is way to.over rated, and running an ai is a much.better decision and.forget the caber for that low of a dose

 

[Matt0071]

Wtf kind of advice are you spouting?

If you have issues with gyno then running the test lower and deca higher may prove better cycle.

Please don't use test p the last few weeks as this will make your AI dosage near impossible. I'd personally go test 13 weeks. Dec 12 weeks. Pct in week 16

And to note u go aroubd this board telling people they shouldn't run gear, u look like shit, and think.u know everything cycle wise, u fuckin complain and bitch to.much.possible u should.up your ai dose as u are a know.it all.moody bitch
And.second.of all take a look at yourself in the mirror before judging others as well as in your avi it seems.like.u got some back fat to get rid of bro

 

[Onk]

U are one.cocky motherfucker, in your avi u look like a little punck kid that needs his head ripped off
Caber is harsh shit, wtf would u need caber on.a light dose of deca anyways. Caber is way to.over rated, and running an ai is a much.better decision and.forget the caber for that low of a dose

And to note u go aroubd this board telling people they shouldn't run gear, u look like shit, and think.u know everything cycle wise, u fuckin complain and bitch to.much.possible u should.up your ai dose as u are a know.it all.moody bitch
And.second.of all take a look at yourself in the mirror before judging others as well as in your avi it seems.like.u got some back fat to get rid of bro

I didn't mention caber, so I'm not sure why you're telling me it's "harsh shit" on a light dose of deca.

I did tell him to run an AI....

I only tell people that aren't at their full potential not to run gear.

Also noting that telling people that iterate fallacies that they're wrong is the right thing to do, I would be in error to approve of their low standards.

I'm not sure where I'm judging others either, unless it's you posting a picture of yourself where you either look pregnant, or where we can barely see any of your body because your mirror is quite small.

 

[Megatron28]

U are one.cocky motherfucker, in your avi u look like a little punck kid that needs his head ripped off
Caber is harsh shit, wtf would u need caber on.a light dose of deca anyways. Caber is way to.over rated, and running an ai is a much.better decision and.forget the caber for that low of a dose

WTF Matt? Onk is a valued member of the community here. He has helped a lot more guys with their cycles than you ever have. Onk gives back to 'Ology whereas you tend to just take and take from 'Ology -- when you are not creating drama.

 

[hiram1st]

Deca is a long lasting ester I think it needs to be run at least 16 weeks to reap the benefits. As for the gyno issue I know this all too well have had issues since I started trt.

I've learned what works for me and I know that bloodwork is key in order to dial in your AI. Then once you get it down you'll be able to adjust AI based on what your protocol is and do bloodwork less.

Since I've started blasting I've tried using 30mg of rolax ed and still had flares but continued using the reversal protocol after blast and gyno was completely gone.

I now use tomax 20mg ed and have no flare ups what so ever. Everyone is different you'll have to find what works for you.

You need a DA on hand (caber) will running a 19 nor but not necessary unless prolactin is high. This can be elevated if you keep E2 in range

 

[Milton]

WTF Matt? Onk is a valued member of the community here. He has helped a lot more guys with their cycles than you ever have. Onk gives back to 'Ology whereas you tend to just take and take from 'Ology -- when you are not creating drama.

damn , easy there fellas! Mega got this.