test deca dbol, the bulking cycle by 3J

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TEST E, DECA, AND DBOL:
THE BULKING STACK

By:3J
3J's Nutrition | Diet and fitness consulting to get you to the next level.

The purpose of this article is to educate the amateur bodybuilder on the correct set up of a powerful traditional bulking cycle; Test e, Deca, and Dbol. The use of Deca and Dbol has been long hailed as the mighty bulking cycle. Traditionally used as an off season cycle, the stack will do a wonderful job of adding muscle mass and letting the user come in at a heavier weight when reaching their goal body fat when cutting.


TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE
I have said it a million times before and I will say it again, testosterone is king. It is the foundation in which all cycles are built upon. Running any compound without the use of testosterone will leave you with hormone levels that are similar to a females. Testosterone Enanthate is a slower acting ester. With a 7 to 10 day half-life, it requires a less frequent dosing schedule to reach and maintain stable blood levels making it the better choice for beginner steroid users who may not be too fond of needles and do not want to do every day or every other day injections. Properly used, the injection schedule should be every 3.5 days on Monday and Thursday of the week. Dosages for testosterone enanthate range from a minimum of 400mg a week to 800mg a week for the average steroid user and cycles should be a minimum of 10 weeks due to the amount of time it takes to reach peak levels. More advanced users have been known to go over 1000mg a week, but one should be aware that it takes a lot of cycle experience to get to those levels. Longer estered testosterones like testosterone enanthate are known to cause more estrogen/aromatization side effects due to higher peak values over the course of the cycle. Proper AI/SERM precautions should be taken.

DECA DURABOLIN
Deca has been the go to compound for bulking in bodybuilding amongst steroid users for years. Deca is a 19-nor compound. Its made from the same cloth as trenbolone. Consequently, it also shares many of the same issues as Tren. Being a 19-nor, deca is liver toxic. It also does not aromatize very well, but will cause a rise in progestin levels. Due to its ability to rise progestin levels, deca is known for causing libido issues or “deca dick.” Proper progestin/anti-estrogen drugs should be used to make sure you keep you from experiencing libido issues. It also will shut down natural testotsterone almost immediately with the first dose. Deca has as strong affinity to the androgen receptor and does great as an anabolic; it will raise both nitrogen retention and igf levels. Water retention does become an issue on deca, but the proper progestin drugs should keep it at bay. Deca is also known to help joint issues by storing water in the connective tissues and improving collagen synthesis/mineral content. Some use the drug in low dosages such therapeutic effects. The recommended proper dosage for Deca is between 400-600mg a week. Though the ester connected to deca has a longer half life, its safe to inject deca on the same schedule as test e and c. In theory, deca can be injected once a week, but twice a week is the gold standard. Due to the highly suppressive nature of deca, its recommended that hcg be ran with the cycle.

DIANABOL

Dbol is traditionally found in pill form. Like winstrol, Dbol is a 17aa oral steroid. 17aa orals are made the way they are to survive the first pass at the liver. Unfortunately, this makes dbol highly liver toxic (almost as toxic as winny). Dbol will also cause hypertension (a raise in blood pressure) so proper monitoring of your blood pressure should be maintained. Dbol is not the best at binding with the androgen receptor and most its effects are secondary. Dbol will suppress natural testosterone production. Many who are new to steroid use will try to do a Dbol only cycle. When dbol suppresses your natural production your levels start looking more like a females. Therefore, it should always be ran in a cycle with testosterone as a base. Dbol is said to be as strong as anadrol, though most will not see the same effects due to unequal dosages. Dbol is known as a kick start compound in cycles. Its ability to add weight comes on quickly and many people use it in the first 6 weeks of their cycle. Dosages range from 20-100mg a day, though an amateur user should stick to under 50mg to start.



The cycle:

OK, lets set up a cycle for a first time user of these compounds combined. Keep in mind this isn’t a beginners cycle and stacking multiple compounds that you haven’t used in the same cycle may cause side effect and leave you wondering what the source of the issue was.


Testosterone Enanthate 300mg twice a week Week 1-3

Deca 200mg twice a week Week 1-12

Dbol 30-50mg a day Week 1-6

HCG 500iu a week (250iu twice a week) Week 1-15


PCT starts three weeks after final injection of deca 2 weeks after last test injection

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
 
So start PCT three weeks after last injection of Deca? Is that enough time for it to clear given the ester's half life?

NAC would probably be a good supplement on this cycle for one's liver.

Any diet tips for a cycle like this? Any little dieting nuances or tricks you know of to help get the most out of a cycle like this?
 
So start PCT three weeks after last injection of Deca? Is that enough time for it to clear given the ester's half life?

NAC would probably be a good supplement on this cycle for one's liver.

Any diet tips for a cycle like this? Any little dieting nuances or tricks you know of to help get the most out of a cycle like this?
While on DBOL I'll run NAC at 2400 ED, and liv.52 twice a day. Of course with this being a "bulk cycle" macros in surplus of your RMR, is a must. There is no cookie cut approach when diet is involved, but I find calories rich in complex carbs will make up majority of calories. Followed by protein at a minimum of 1.5 grams LBM. Finished with low to moderate fat. To gain muscle is to be consuming more then burning. This is always an awesome break, after cutting for months.
 
I also "personally" will blast the deca and Test for 20 weeks, before returning to TRT dosage. Test 700 deca 650, DBOL 40ed first 4-5 weeks.
 
So start PCT three weeks after last injection of Deca? Is that enough time for it to clear given the ester's half life?

NAC would probably be a good supplement on this cycle for one's liver.

Any diet tips for a cycle like this? Any little dieting nuances or tricks you know of to help get the most out of a cycle like this?

a standard bulking diet should be ran.. a simple 40/40/20 with a 500 calorie surplus, while adding calories while you go along, should work out perfectly fine..

now there are many different types of diets you can run.. but i recommend a straight macro split if you really want to try and pack on as much muscle as possible and carb cycling if you want to do a leaner job...


and i think 3 weeks is enough.. we wait 3 weeks for sust to clear.. whats the difference? lol
 
When I ran test deca cycle I ran my test 3 weeks more ..
It was 1-11 deca
1-14 test..
Pct start on week 16

I know that's a lot of time but Do u think that such approach is optimal to make sure that the deca ester cleared out?

I also added one week of nolvadex on my pct so I ran it for 5 weeks beside the usual protocol for clomid.. What do u think about this as we are dealing with a 19 nor?
 
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Test 600mg
Deca 400mg
Tren a 50mg/ed
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Currently sitting at 218lbs as of today
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When I ran test deca cycle I ran my test 3 weeks more ..
It was 1-11 deca
1-14 test..
Pct start on week 16

I know that's a lot of time but Do u think that such approach is optimal to make sure that the deca ester cleared out?

I also added one week of nolvadex on my pct so I ran it for 5 weeks beside the usual protocol for clomid.. What do u think about this as we are dealing with a 19 nor?

its alot of time to make sure deca gets out for sure brother
 
its alot of time to make sure deca gets out for sure brother

Great thread.. As always 3j

What about running nolvadex a couple of weeks more than the usual 4 weeks?
I felt it helped a lot when pct-ing from a 19 nor
 
Great thread.. As always 3j

What about running nolvadex a couple of weeks more than the usual 4 weeks?
I felt it helped a lot when pct-ing from a 19 nor

you can.. its not like its going to hurt.. thats the great thing about nolva.. it doesn't kill your estrogen
 
This is what anyone looking to bulk with anabolic steroids and diet should read. Those steroids are the most common steroids for bulking because of how effective they are.

3J will maximize those steroids effects with one of his diet packages. Bring on the muscle. :D
 
Can you create one of these that does not include anything liver toxic? After my years of drinking like a sailor (I was a sailor, after all), I do not want to hurt my liver again. Not that I am planning on jumping onto a bulking cycle (at least not until you tell me to, 3J). I just think it would be some great info to have.
 
I'm currently on a test only blast, but was already thinking about the proper items for the next blast. Good timing on this post.

From my script, I always have a surplus of cypionate. Is there a big difference from cyp and e? Also, at the end of this cycle just go back on cruise correct, no need for anything special?
 
I'm currently on a test only blast, but was already thinking about the proper items for the next blast. Good timing on this post.

From my script, I always have a surplus of cypionate. Is there a big difference from cyp and e? Also, at the end of this cycle just go back on cruise correct, no need for anything special?

Cyp and E are basically the same. They can be used interchangeably.

Correct, just go back on TRT when your blast is done. Take into account upcoming doctor visits so that you don't pop too high on your blood work that your doc will see.
 
Can you create one of these that does not include anything liver toxic? After my years of drinking like a sailor (I was a sailor, after all), I do not want to hurt my liver again. Not that I am planning on jumping onto a bulking cycle (at least not until you tell me to, 3J). I just think it would be some great info to have.

All anabolics used at proper doses will be hepatoxic.. Different ones will be at different degrees e.g. Anavar is mildly hepatoxic while deca is much more
 
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