Test e and deca cycle- what would you do ?

[Woolan78]

Long time reader so thank you guys for providing me with info before I finally joined !

Stats
5"9 187 lbs 12 % body fat 24 yrs old
Training for 6 years now
Coming to the end of my 2nd cycle - 12 weeks 500mg week test e only
1st cycle was 10 weeks test e and deca when I was 18 (I know, I know

As I'm coming to the end of this cycle, I am planning my next one for around march.
Basically I have a good problem on my hands

I have 50 250 test e mg/ml amps
4 bottles of nandrolone d 200 mg/ml 10 ml a bottle

Looking to bulk to around 205 lbs

What would you guys run with this ?

My thoughts are this :
I could have two cycles of

500 mg test e 12 weeks
400 mg deca 10 weeks
Or

Longer cycle with higher doses and have just some test leftover
Test e 500 mg 14 weeks
Deca. 600 mg 12 weeks

Or
Also looking into low test high deca ?


- have armadex,letro,Nola, and clomid on hand for sides

What would you guys do

Thanks in advance !

 

[tbonexl]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html

All that stuff u mentioned having on hand has a purpose. Read the link to understand why. Look at the steroid profiles after that. 10-12 weeks of deca is too short. Research and learn. You're kinda young still.

 

[Onk]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html

All that stuff u mentioned having on hand has a purpose. Read the link to understand why. Look at the steroid profiles after that. 10-12 weeks of deca is too short. Research and learn. You're kinda young still.

agreed on his knowledge of AI and PCT, but do you reckon 12 weeks is too short for deca? Would think 12-14 weeks is about right

 

[darkwing86]

from what I understand deca already is a 3 weeks ester . which means probably takes 6 weeks to peek and wshould be run longer to maximize its benefits . what ive gotten from it in the past is 16 weeks and upward to 20 . however at 24 deca is a 19nor and highly surpressive . are you sure you want to shut yourself down at that age for that long . you realy do risk not recovering your hpta fully . potentially in the future leading to hrt/trt . problem with not recovering is just that . your body wont create natty test anymore . hence your health wont be the best and gains will be lost . id think about it

 

[RR88]

Your second option 500 test and 600 deca looks alright. That is advanced. Make sure you have a proper AI dose and prolactin antagonist. If you run this id kick start first 4-5 weeks with dbol. Then when you drop your test n deca will be in full swing. Longer cycles better with long esters which in this case can take 5-6 weeks to work proper.

 

[Woolan78]

from what I understand deca already is a 3 weeks ester . which means probably takes 6 weeks to peek and wshould be run longer to maximize its benefits . what ive gotten from it in the past is 16 weeks and upward to 20 . however at 24 deca is a 19nor and highly surpressive . are you sure you want to shut yourself down at that age for that long . you realy do risk not recovering your hpta fully . potentially in the future leading to hrt/trt . problem with not recovering is just that . your body wont create natty test anymore . hence your health wont be the best and gains will be lost . id think about it

I am worried about the deca shutdown that is why I've only asked questions about 10 or 12 weeks. I'm not running anything longer than that as I feel the sides outweigh any gains.

I have read tons of cycles where guys run only 10 weeks of deca and had pretty good results.

I guess another question would be is have you guys ran deca for shorter periods ? If so what result ?

I already have the deca and can't return it lol so what would be my safest option if I'm going to use it ?



Also my source can't get any hcg.

Thanks guys !

 

[Woolan78]

And I'm very aware of the purpose of those .

I've done research for about a year now.

I know that with deca the superior time frame would be longer but with the suppression I thought that it would be easier to recover from 10 weeks than 16.

 

[Woolan78]

And I'm very aware of the purpose of those .

I've done research for about a year now.

I know that with deca the superior time frame would be longer but with the suppression I thought that it would be easier to recover from 10 weeks than 16. Am I on the right track with this ?

 

[Megatron28]

And I'm very aware of the purpose of those .

I've done research for about a year now.

I know that with deca the superior time frame would be longer but with the suppression I thought that it would be easier to recover from 10 weeks than 16.

If you insist on only running Nandrolone for 10 weeks you should use NPP rather than Deca.

 

[Woolan78]

I'm stuck with what I got.

So do you all think that suppression wouldn't be any worse from 10 weeks on to 14 or 16 weeks ?

 

[Megatron28]

I'm stuck with what I got.

So do you all think that suppression wouldn't be any worse from 10 weeks on to 14 or 16 weeks ?

14-16 weeks of suppression is clearly worse than 10 weeks. But it is about risk/reward. You are taking a risk in running it for 10 weeks and getting little reward. You are taking a marginally bigger risk running it 4-6 weeks longer for a big reward.

If you run hCG your full cycle and run a proper PCT you reduce the risks. But with any cycle there are always risks - and rewards. But there are never any guarantees.

Why can't you get NPP?

 

[Woolan78]

14-16 weeks of suppression is clearly worse than 10 weeks. But it is about risk/reward. You are taking a risk in running it for 10 weeks and getting little reward. You are taking a marginally bigger risk running it 4-6 weeks longer for a big reward.

If you run hCG your full cycle and run a proper PCT you reduce the risks. But with any cycle there are always risks - and rewards. But there are never any guarantees.

Why can't you get NPP?

-Wouldn't you reather risk fewer gains but quicker recovery to be able to keep those gains ? Rather than make more gains just to lose them because your shut down forever ?

I get my gear from a friend that gets it from his source over seas soo I don't know why he didnt have npp(what i wanted) so i just went with the deca an he says no hcg either.

 

[Megatron28]

-Wouldn't you reather risk fewer gains but quicker recovery to be able to keep those gains ? Rather than make more gains just to lose them because your shut down forever ?

I get my gear from a friend that gets it from his source over seas soo I don't know why he didnt have npp(what i wanted) so i just went with the deca an he says no hcg either.

I don't think you are looking at it the right way. I would encourage you to do more research before deciding whether or not to cycle with Deca again. In my opinion, if you are not going to run Deca properly it should not be used at all. You would be better off finding a new source that can get you NPP if you can't get past the length of time requirement the undecanoate ester dictates.

 

[kaname]

-Wouldn't you reather risk fewer gains but quicker recovery to be able to keep those gains ? Rather than make more gains just to lose them because your shut down forever ?

I get my gear from a friend that gets it from his source over seas soo I don't know why he didnt have npp(what i wanted) so i just went with the deca an he says no hcg either.

in that case run it for 6 weeks...same line of thinking....... <--------**anyone else don't do this**

 

[yanks4life]

-Wouldn't you reather risk fewer gains but quicker recovery to be able to keep those gains ? Rather than make more gains just to lose them because your shut down forever ?

I get my gear from a friend that gets it from his source over seas soo I don't know why he didnt have npp(what i wanted) so i just went with the deca an he says no hcg either.

I agree with everyone in here...if you are willing to use deca at all, you should use it for what the typical usage dictates. if your source can get deca, they should be able to get npp...its not too far off. I, personally, hate overseas sources, but thats just me. But if he can not get NPP, you may want to find someone else that cna get what you need, rather than what they will "be able to get you."

as far as HCG...there are a couple of online sites that you can pick this up from, no need for the source to get it for youl

 

[Woolan78]

Okay well i came here for advice so im gonna take what you guys say and run with it.

How does this cycle look ?

wk 1- 16 Deca 450mg wk
wk 1- 20 Test E 500mg wk

Start pct 2 week after last test shot

With hcg ran throughout
letro for estrogen sides
Caber on hand for progestron sides


I am going to hang around the forum for a couple of months and learn some more and hopefully ill land a source of my own.

Also going to be getting some hcg. I have decided im not going to run this without it.


Thanks guys !

 

[yanks4life]

looks like a pretty good start up man. glad to see you extended and decided that the HCG would be a good go to.

 

[Megatron28]

Okay well i came here for advice so im gonna take what you guys say and run with it.

How does this cycle look ?

wk 1- 16 Deca 450mg wk
wk 1- 20 Test E 500mg wk

Start pct 2 week after last test shot

With hcg ran throughout
letro for estrogen sides
Caber on hand for progestron sides


I am going to hang around the forum for a couple of months and learn some more and hopefully ill land a source of my own.

Also going to be getting some hcg. I have decided im not going to run this without it.


Thanks guys !

You should only run the test two weeks longer than the Deca. So stop in week 18.

Only run the hCG up until about two days before you start PCT.

Don't use Letro for an AI. Get arimidex or Aromasin. Are you good on how to dose it given you previous cycles?

What are you doing for pre, mid and post cycle blood work?

Do you know how to run the Caber? Know what high Prolactin sides to watch for? And are you set on Prolactin blood work?

What hCG dosage will you run?

What will your PCT look like?

 

[Woolan78]

okay so Ill run test 18 weeks , figured running it the extra weeks would help the deca clear out.

I am aware of not running hCG during pct

I also have armidex , sorry i didnt put that. I am gyno prone and have gotten some during this cycle so I have been running the letro protocol to help rid the gyno . ( Found it on this site , not sure how to post it ?)

I did not do blood work before this cycle as I didnt want to go to my doctor and let him know anything if i dont have to.
but
I see that you have blood work in your signature...so in that case I will do some blood work about a two weeks after this cycle pct to make sure im atleast at normal levels with everything. I will probley do some mid-cycle work to make sure everything is in check.
With this being a 19-nor cycle I will have blood work done after pct and again a couple months later and of course before any other cycle to make sure I am fully recovered

hCG im still new to this but from what I have gathered around 500-1000 ius a week would be good.
- Also looking into a "blast" the last week before pct of around 5,000 ius for that week

My pct
Would you guys recommend an extended pct with being shut down for so long ?

as of now my pct have always been

Clomind day 1 300 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Thanks guys for looking out !

 

[tbonexl]

250 iu's twice a week with the hcg. I wouldn't dose clomid over 50mgs a day. U can get sides from it too. Look up pct calculater for a better idea on when to start pct. 2 weeks is outdated.