test e/deca/eq second cycle help me dedcide what I need pls

[megamo]

Hi guys, I'm planning my second proper cycle now, will be starting in a couple of months so that should give me pleanty of time to decide what to do.

Last cycle I didnt want to gain too much water weight etc, but this time I don't mind too much, I used test(omna) and eq for 15 weeks.

I had very good gains and learnt a hell of a lot, I didnt start eating as much as I should of until the last few weeks, so i'm expecting I can get better gains this time round.

I've got my test all ready and good, alpha - supose to be really good. and was wondering what to take with it, if to take anything at all.

The eq in the last cycle did help me eat, and be more vascular and I don't know what else I hear so much and its hard knowing the truth but i've been eating to excess for a while after now, went up to 26% bf down to around 22% now and should be back to 15% by the time i'm ready to shoot. I know how to eat this time round

I wanted to run...

deca + test e
or
eq again and test e
or
test e only.

I'm just thinking I want gains but not too much water, so i might not do deca, but I know its in many threads but there is no definate answer. Between deca and eq what gives the best quaility gains and mass AFTER the water has gone. Its all good saying gained 20-30lbs etc but when 1/2 is water that 30lbs means nothing to me. If deca can give me more muscle than eq that i can keep then i'll shift to try that this cycle, if not this time I prob will on the next cycle.

My other choice is test only, as this is my second cycle can I gain a decent amount with test e only? i'm looking for around 5-8 lbs extra lbm.

What does adding eq or deca to the test actually do? I know eq limits some sides and deca gives more strength and waters joints, mite be an idea as I am on Winstrol (winny) atm while dieting and seems to be good.

What combo will weild the most amount of lbm? if there is only a small difference it wont matter too much.

I was thinking 250mg of test a week? or shall I do that twice a week?

Wants - what I want out of the cycle...

1- I wanna stay looking as natural as I can, thats why I dont want to look like a balloon.

2- I wanna add about an inch to my arms

3- have a 10 week cycle - unless you guys reckon I should do longer

4- Wanna keep my hair - seems like i'm the type that loses hair n:

Also I have nolva from last cycle, but heard thats not good to take with deca, have some clomid but was planning to use that after Winstrol (winny). What shall I take? I wanna kick back into natural as quick as I can so anything quicker that about 2 weeks will be good, as long as its not too expensive. I wanna minimize the depression as much as I can. Got it quite bad last time, I became one of the biggest in my gym :-( then all the new year resoultions came and joined made it alot worse. Now I go to a proper bb gym :

I think I've rambled enough and should go to sleep as I'm quite sleepy due to hayfever pills.

Hope this all makes sense, I tried reading it through and think I've babbled a bit so I'm sorry for that.

Stats:
height: 5'10-5'11
Weight: 91kg about 200lbs(just over)
atm 22%bf will be down to a max of 15% by the time I start the cycle
trained for about 10 years on and off more for health. Maybe 2 years proper bodybuilding style
age 30
anything I missed let me know

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum......

 

[megamo]

bump

 

[DADAWG]

test / deca will add more mass that test / eq but you will probablly bloat more with then deca . you can use aromasin with th test and eliminate the bloat from it but it wont help any bloat from deca because its from progesterone / prolactin [ note not everyone bloats from deca ] .
if you really want mass run the test / deca with aromasin imo.

 

[Teutonic]

x2

 

[megamo]

Thanks guys

 

[akka]

errr can someone tell me about the nolva doesn't go well with deca? are u saying nolva isnt good for pct after using deca or do u mean taking it as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or something? obviously nolva isnt good for combating sides during deca cycle... but i cant think why nolva wouldnt be good for pct?

 

[DADAWG]

errr can someone tell me about the nolva doesn't go well with deca? are u saying nolva isnt good for pct after using deca or do u mean taking it as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or something? obviously nolva isnt good for combating sides during deca cycle... but i cant think why nolva wouldnt be good for pct?

i personnaly prefer clomid for pct or at least a clomid / nolva combo.

 

[megamo]

I don't know, I just heard it. I wanted to know abt it myself.

 

[megamo]

How about clomid is that ok during cycle with deca?

 

[Conrad415]

How about clomid is that ok during cycle with deca?

during a cycle? No. You need to do a lot more research before starting this cycle.

 

[ramaudio]

test / deca will add more mass that test / eq but you will probablly bloat more with then deca . you can use aromasin with th test and eliminate the bloat from it but it wont help any bloat from deca because its from progesterone / prolactin [ note not everyone bloats from deca ] .
if you really want mass run the test / deca with aromasin imo.

Ahmen.. not everyone bloats... I'm on deca now.. and I was worried I would look puffy.... not at all... got lucky.. NO sign of bloat... .. guess I'm lucky though!

 

[megamo]

during a cycle? No. You need to do a lot more research before starting this cycle.

Yeah I know, thats what i'm doing.. I plan to start next cycle around sept time I think so still a few months left yet.
I didnt prepare enough on my last cycle too much so I had to change it up a little mid way.

Also leaning towards eq + test as I've done that already and know what to expect. I may have to be drug tested at some point so I have to wait it out. Depends if I compete next year or not. I wanna keep that door open for now.

 

[megamo]

I just started test only cycle, since I have everything for that ready and my dealer is away competing atm, am going to do 10 weeks@250mg I know its a low dose but I wanna see how my body will respond to the lower dose, I know 500mg pw is prob better but I'd rather stick to this for this cycle.

I will be going away the week after I finish this course.

Will my bf% go down while on test e only or not.

Is it harder to push test e only out of the syringe than if its mixed with eq? I dont know why I struggled yesterday.

Do syringes become faulty after time? I use a new one everytime, but have had these for a few months(unopened), could heat eg make the rubber stiffer and harder to push?
or is it just the test that is thicker. Also if I heat it up will it be better?

I will be away for 2 week after, so basically it will look like this.

Week 1-10 250mg pw test e
week 11-12 holiday (thinking to take some nolva with me and say its been pescribed to my wife, in case I need to start pct)
week 13-16 pct nolva + clomid (i'll be back in the country so I can get hold of anything I need from here onwards)

Also how long does it take for gyno to develop? am worried if I dont take nolva with me, will I be able to go without for 2 weeks while on holiday and be ok?

 

[DADAWG]

the chances of gyno on that doe of test are very very small.

 

[megamo]

Ok i've changed the cycle lol, I've gone back to the same as my last cycle, but instead of every 3 days, am going to do twice a week.

Test and EQ for 5 Weeks, Then continue on either test prop or test e for another 5 weeks and run Anavar (var) and ephadrine.

I have a beach holiday calling me, about a week after cycle ends.

Does that sound good? Put on a bit of muscle for a few weeks then cut the fat off, will take a shot of eq before I fly so I stay anabolic for 2-3 weeksish, then when I get back get back on the test e eq cycle for a while. Not decided how long yet, any suggestions.

 

[DADAWG]

Ok i've changed the cycle lol, I've gone back to the same as my last cycle, but instead of every 3 days, am going to do twice a week.

Test and EQ for 5 Weeks, Then continue on either test prop or test e for another 5 weeks and run Anavar (var) and ephadrine.

I have a beach holiday calling me, about a week after cycle ends.

Does that sound good? Put on a bit of muscle for a few weeks then cut the fat off, will take a shot of eq before I fly so I stay anabolic for 2-3 weeksish, then when I get back get back on the test e eq cycle for a while. Not decided how long yet, any suggestions.

5 weeks of eq is worthless. eq / deca / eth / cyp / etc. are all long esters and need 10-12 weeks mininum to work.

honestly you need to study some more about steroids bro .

 

[megamo]

My total cycle is going to be about 12 weeks then 3 weeks off (honeymoon) dont wanna risk taking anabolics with me. then another maybe 6-12 weeks on tes.e and eq.(until i get to the size I want) extra 1 1/2 inch on chest and 1 3/4 inch on arms.

Do you think I should drop the eq and save it for a long cycle and just do test only for the next 5 weeks, and introduce the Anavar (var) for the next 5 weeks, go on my honeymoon, then when i come back do a full course of eq/test?

Or shall I keep eq/test going and introduce the Anavar (var) for the final 5 weeks?

BTW my source told me to do that cycle but i thought it sounded wrong, thats why I wanted to get opinions.

 

[megamo]

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