"Test only" as my first cycle

[Crekz]

Hi all. I'm planning my first cycle, which I probably won't be doing for a while, and have a couple of questions:

First I'm 23 years old, 205 pounds at ~10% BF, and have been training for about 5 years.

That being said I've decided to run test only for my first cycle. Here's what I've come up with so far:

wk 01-12 - test (cyp or enan) @ 400/500 (haven't decided) mg EW
wk 03-12 - Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 250 iu E3D

wk 15-18 - Clomid @ 100 mg ED
wk 15-18 - Nolvadex @ 20 mg ED

This is by no means set in stone, so if you feel I'm doing something wrong, please feel free to correct me.

The only thing I'm wondering about is the use of letrozole (Femara) or anastrozole (Arimidex/Liquidex); I know some prefer to run it throughout the entire duration of their cycle when they know themselves to be prone to bloating, but since this is my first cycle and I have no idea how my body will react to test, do you think it would be a good idea to simply have it on hand but not actually use it until I start to bloat? I mean using it throughout would of course stop bloat from occuring, but I wouldn't know how sensitive I am to bloating unless I let myself bloat a lilttle for my first cycle, you know what I mean?

Also, can letrozole/anastrozole work to combat gyno as well? I know Nolva is usually used for gyno, but I read that one shouldn't take letro and Nolva together. So should I opt instead for anastrozole and use it in combination with Nolva, or is letrozole only enough to fight off gyno?

Alright I know I asked a lot of questions, I'm just trying to make my first cycle (especially the PCT) go as smoothly as possible and avoid any unnecessary mitakes. Thanks for your help!

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Cycle plan looks great !!

PCT looks great !!

Now for your questions; I would hold off on taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Arimidex, Letro) unless water retention or BP becomes a concern.
I would have some Arimidex on hand just in case you need it.
Letro reduces the effectiveness of Nolva by ~ 40%, therefore Arimidex is a better choice if you are going to run it with Nolva.
Either Letro or Arimidex should be enough to ward off gyno symptoms from happening in the first place, but you'll still want to have Nolva on hand even if you go that route.

 

[RJ]

Damn, a new poster who actually has done some research!

Everything looks good bro. Only thing I would say is that you don't really need to do both CLomid and Nolva, but it won't hurt either. Just an FYI.

 

[detroit]

Cycle looks good, probably could skip the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or do it the last couple weeks before post cycle therapy (pct) if needed. And like StoneCold said be sure to have some L-dex on hand. Later...Det

 

[LAWNSAVER]

Cycle looks good, probably could skip the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or do it the last couple weeks before post cycle therapy (pct) if needed. And like StoneCold said be sure to have some L-dex on hand. Later...Det

Why would you want to skip the HCG?

He is using it for the prevention of testicular atrophy, which is the best way.

Cycle looks great!!

 

[DADAWG]

one thing 1-12 is test 15-18 is post cycle therapy (pct) the way its written , if thats a 3 week wait from last injection untill post cycle therapy (pct) starts then its to long for cyp or eth . for cyp or eth its a 2 week wait from last injection untill post cycle therapy (pct)

 

[Eze]

First off, THANK YOU!!!!!!!! A new poster that actually did some research before asking a question. It makes it a lot easier to help someone who has done this much research and knows his stuff.

**EDITED**

At 400-500 mg, I doubt you will have many sides (ex gyno), but its always good to have the necessary meds on hand just in case. Gyno can come up pretty quick, I know from my last cycle. Good thing I had the proper meds on hand and I was able to take care of it before it became a problem.

Let us know when you decide to start the cycle and keep us updated. Good luck!!!

 

[StoneColdNTO]

The timing of his post cycle therapy (pct) is fine.......

He ends after week 12, making it a 12 week cycle.
He starts post cycle therapy (pct) the start of week 15.........that is a 2 week wait........lol

count with me Timmy.......12, 13, 14, 15

 

[Eze]

The timing of his post cycle therapy (pct) is fine.......

He ends after week 12, making it a 12 week cycle.
He starts post cycle therapy (pct) the start of week 15.........that is a 2 week wait........lol

count with me Timmy.......12, 13, 14, 15

Hey, It's the morning and I am still waiting for my breakfast to cook. One more smart ass remark from you and .....

 

[DADAWG]

The timing of his post cycle therapy (pct) is fine.......

He ends after week 12, making it a 12 week cycle.
He starts post cycle therapy (pct) the start of week 15.........that is a 2 week wait........lol

count with me Timmy.......12, 13, 14, 15

just clarifying moderator of head . its better for you to make fun of me and the member to be right about his post cycle therapy (pct) than for me not to clarify the subject and him to lose gains waiting a week to long

 

[needsize]

I agree with the others, solid and well thought out cycle, I would just keep some nolva on hand for gyno, the bloat is actually a good thing as it will help with strength

 

[DADAWG]

the bloat is actually a good thing as it will help with strength

i agree , the ease of availability and gyno horror stories have made antiestrogens way over used . as long as there isnt a bloodpressure or other health reason and gyno doesnt surface antiestrogens should be kept to a minimum or not used at all . bloat adds strength and the size from the bloat may be temporary but the size from lifting heavier than ever before is real muscle and keepable.

 

[Eze]

just clarifying moderator of head . its better for you to make fun of me and the member to be right about his post cycle therapy (pct) than for me not to clarify the subject and him to lose gains waiting a week to long

Dawg, he was busting my balls, hence the Timmy comment. I edited my post once SC pointed that out.

 

[DADAWG]

Dawg, he was busting my balls, hence the Timmy comment. I edited my post once SC pointed that out.

well i posted about the timing as well and hes busted my balls before about it . so i like to make sure the guy whos asking the questions is clear about it ,pct isnt something to make mistakes with if we want to keep gains and recover .
dont pay him any attention timmy hes old and grumpy

 

[StoneColdNTO]

dont pay him any attention timmy hes old and grumpy

Hello pot, meet kettle.

 

[DADAWG]

Hello pot, meet kettle.

but im not grump mr kettle

 

[Eze]

LOL, you two remind me of the movie Grumpty Old Men. The one with Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon

 

[DADAWG]

im jack , i get the women