Test P, Npp,with an oral kick start dose suggestions?

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XELFLEC

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32yo Male
12% bf 6ft tall
Lifting almost exactly 2 years
Came up from a skinny 170 to my current 205lbs
Diet 80% clean and sitting at about 3500calories 6-7 meals a day but will up it when it's time to bulk.
Cycle history
1st cycle test e @ 500only 14weeks (worst cycle ever)
2nd cycle test e @500 10weeks tren e @ 250 8 weeks ( great cycle cut short)

3rd cycle
Prop 100
Npp 100
Dbol 20mg or super DMZ 20mg
Cabaser 1mg
Adex/arom/letro to choose from
Cialis ;)
Nolva, clomid,( and hopefully my testrx360 if it ever shows up....)
And trying to find hmg but may settle for the typical 250iu x2 a week of hcg.


Just finished pct but I've been buying as I could and stocking up.
Im not excited to pin Ed so eod is the preferred option.
I'm just u certain the dose I want to run of test and npp for this winter bulk cycle while looking to break into 220s and maintain over 210.

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why would you need a oral kicker with two fast acting esters already in place?not to mention test p for a bulk cycle wouldn't be my first choice. Its much better for a cut cycle as theres barely any water retention. Why did you choose the two fast acting esters if i may ask?
 
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Well I kicked this cycle off after I got my bloods back 12 weeks after last cycle and test came in super low. See attachment.
It was either try a restart or start cycle, and having everything ready to go was just too overwhelming to not start when I had planned dec1.
Which I would have gotten a baseline before i entered this world...

Decided with 3 day pin a week. See attachment.
600npp
Test Cyp 300 prop 150
Dbol 40mg pwo Ed

I also attached a measurement picture.
Before second cycle and at the end of cycle
And I just took before this cycle, will take next set once I'm all swelled up.

I'm actually really surprised how much gains I kept from last cycle considering I had test levels of 214 for 16 weeks :/
 
With that out of the way. I'm thinking just kick the prop now because I'm 100% out of the gutter and feeling alot better.
So id just replace the prop with Cyp which bumps it up to 600 a week.
600test/600npp should make for a great cycle.

I'm also wondering what you guys think on the dbol dose. It's fairly conservative and i don't know if its in my head but I was throwing around 225 on incline BB after a week and a half, and can only contribute that to the dbol.
 
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Inhuman2012 said:
why would you need a oral kicker with two fast acting esters already in place?not to mention test p for a bulk cycle wouldn't be my first choice. Its much better for a cut cycle as theres barely any water retention. Why did you choose the two fast acting esters if i may ask?
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Missed this sorry.

People debate the Long vs short ester holding less water.
I read a comment that test is test is test. So that's how I view it for test.

I'm going to bloat regardless if I don't manage this estrogen.

I went with npp over deca because it can still be pinned 2x a week if you want, doesn't linger as long, and everyone seems to loves it.
Tren is out of the question and EQ need to be ran forever.
 
Well ill talk to my self.
I'm going to get bloods every 4 weeks but wondering if I should get it sooner?

I'm worried about my estrogen since I'm using some questionable aromasin(purchase peptides)
But at least I could validate it in the worse case scenario since I ended up with a few bottles.

Would say 3 weeks in be enough time to raise estrogen or get a good gauge if my AI is working?
 
Almost the end of week 5, I have some noticeable gains (visual and measurements) everything seems a to be rounder and my traps are starting to grow up-towards my ears.

I'm eating a lot and my waist section is showing it. Kinda depressing.

This shoulder injury out of left field is going to mess up my goals as far as easing into some heavy weight. So I'll prolly just ride out the rest of the cycle with lower weight and high reps(focus on legs). I'm going to stay clear of anything heavy over head, and do front, side raises more frequently.

I wanted blood work while on dbol, since I noticed my nips would get tingly towards the end if the day, an soon as I would take my aromasin it would feel better. I'm sure I was running higher estrogen cuz of dbol, since I've stopped the tingly feeling went away. Although it would have been nice to know what adjust I need to make for my AI dose on dbol it's to late an would rather see my balanced out levels on 600/600 at 12.5ed @ the end of week 6.
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View attachment 555828Hit 220 the other day after a day of pigging out. Hopefully I'll wake up to that weight by the end of this.
I did alittle mid way comparison, on a bigger screen than my phone I was able to see some changes happening.

Blue undies is start
Black is week 7 start
 
Update
Blue trunks are start
Other is end of cycle week 11
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Last 2 columns are start and end of this current cycle
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Here's the work out routine which doesn't look like much of a routine.
I had big goals and plans for lifting, but that went out the window in the first month when I hurt my shoulder and had to work around it.
Month two I had lower back pains followed by insane back pumps.
All of which felt better the last few weeks, so I managed to push some new personal best 1mr
Bench 315x1
Squat 365x4 =405x1
Dead 405x1


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Inhuman2012 said:
why would you need a oral kicker with two fast acting esters already in place?not to mention test p for a bulk cycle wouldn't be my first choice. Its much better for a cut cycle as theres barely any water retention. Why did you choose the two fast acting esters if i may ask?
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Because I love dbol and from you post on that other thread I think you know why now.
LOL
 
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XELFLEC said:
Because I live dbol and from you post on that other thread I think you know why now.
LOL[/QUOTE
Yes!!! And I ended up using npp and test p alot my last cycle. I love dbol as well. I'm actually gonna run turnibol for my cut cycle in April and hope I find it the way I like dbol. Good to see your lifts went up nicely despite the injury. I'm constantly working around injuries, wish I could afford good hgh to help with that . Lol
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Just got my blood work done 2 weeks after last pin, was curious where I would be since last test had me at 7000. Sitting at 1300 now with estrogen at 75, which is the same.
Everything else is looking good except my bun and creatinine levels are barely high.
 
Metalhead said:
Are you on trt? Pct? Just be sure to be hydrated and your bun and creatinine should go down
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I'm in the waiting period to start pct.
last pin was 16days ago. Blood was drawn on day 14. Ill keep drinking away.

I wanted to get bloods done mainly to confirm my suspicion of still having decently elevated test levels


Id also like to note: Since I quit just about everything my last pin day. I never stopped progressing in the gym and felt even better than when on cycle.
I'm not sure if it was higher dose of aromasin I had to take, the caber,hcg, all the liver support or what. But I've broken more PRs not taking all that bullshit while feeling unstoppable.
 
XELFLEC said:
I'm in the waiting period to start pct.
last pin was 16days ago. Blood was drawn on day 14. Ill keep drinking away.

I wanted to get bloods done mainly to confirm my suspicion of still having decently elevated test levels


Id also like to note: Since I quit just about everything my last pin day. I never stopped progressing in the gym and felt even better than when on cycle.
I'm not sure if it was higher dose of aromasin I had to take, the caber,hcg, all the liver support or what. But I've broken more PRs not taking all that bullshit while feeling unstoppable.
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Thats great! Hopefully youll keep breaking those pr's during your pct. Keep us updated
 
Metalhead said:
Thats great! Hopefully youll keep breaking those pr's during your pct. Keep us updated
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Well thanks to sarmsearch ill be starting Osta along with my pct. so ill be logging that in a different thread. Ill just keep eating big and lifting big, and hopefully maintain this 220lbs I got to.
 
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