Test P/TrenA/MastP - Summer Cut Cycle

[lazor99]

40 year old, 14% BF, 5'9" 175lbs - looking to cut to 10% for summer, diet is 8 out of 10...improving daily.

past cycles
1st cycle - test P
2nd cycle - test P/Var
3rd cycle - test E/VAR

4th CYCLE SUGGESTION
1-12 Test P - 50mgs (EOD)
1-12 Tren A - 75mgs (EOD)
1-12 Mast P - 125mgs (EOD)
5-12 VAR - 75mg (ED) **MAYBE**
3- 12 HCG - 250ui X 2 per week

AI .5 eod
Clomd 100/100/50/50
Nolva 80/40/40/20

 

[gram of tren]

post some pics lets see what you look like. im not even sure you'll need masteron. you've never ran tren before so give that a shot with some test prop and see how you like it. ive heard var with tren is a beautiful thing so throw some var in too and see what happens.

 

[Norsegod]

Yeah. You should do great with tren and var. The clinical studies of var are amazing on their own. If you do decide to use the mast still you will have an insane body, but you don't really need it with the other gear you're running. I'm going to say do it though. I love var and I'm running the exact same cycle in a few months without the mast. If you do use the mast let me know how it goes. And like gram said, let's get some before and after pics! Good luck brother.

 

[Norsegod]

Oh...and make sure to get a dopamine agonist for that tren. Prami or caber

 

[lazor99]

U bet I will shortly! Other than possibly losing the MAST and adding VAR, everything else is okay?

 

[Norsegod]

Yeah, as long as you get some prami or caber you're good to go. That's a great dose to start tren at

 

[lazor99]

seems like the general concensus is for prami here! haven't worked with either! I will research dosage and repost full cycle for review....stay tuned!

 

[lazor99]

1-12 Test P - 50mgs (EOD)
1-12 Tren A - 75mgs (EOD)
5-12 VAR - 75mg (ED)
3- 12 HCG - 250ui X 2 per week

Prami .25mh (ED)
AI .5 eod
Clomd 100/100/50/50
Nolva 80/40/40/20

How does this look as a complete cycle...? should I run 14 weeks or keep it at 12 weeks

 

[justin h]

That's about as long as you'd want to run it...especially running tren..
I'd keep the prami on hand, but at that dose of tren you probably won't even need it.
Good idea losing the mast..you don't need it.
At your age your gonna want to keep tabs on bp&liver values.
Have at it

 

[snowpatrol123]

Best of luck

 

[lazor99]

one last question guys - what's your feeling of switching up the Test P/Tren A to Test E/Tren E? less pins is always a good thing but I understand that if I have issues shorter ester is always better!

 

[snowpatrol123]

one last question guys - what's your feeling of switching up the Test P/Tren A to Test E/Tren E? less pins is always a good thing but I understand that if I have issues shorter ester is always better!

Less pins is a worse thing when it comes to your first tren cycle. Stick with tren ace. If you want to mismatch esters there's no reason you can't run test E instead of prop, not really more complicated but it doesn't save you any jabs.

Once you get used to it, ED pinning isn't bad at all - and you can still pin EOD if you feel like it.

 

[Norsegod]

Yeah, like patrol said, sick with tren ace. You don't know how you'll react to it yet and if you need to bail then ace will clear quickly while tren e you'll have to deal with the issues a few more weeks after you drop it

 

[lazor99]

that's exactly what I thought you guys would say...just throwing it out there! Great advice guys, thanks for all your help! Did p a few times already so pinning isn't a big concern!

 

[China_Wall]

40 year old, 14% BF, 5'9" 175lbs - looking to cut to 10% for summer, diet is 8 out of 10...improving daily.

past cycles
1st cycle - test P
2nd cycle - test P/Var
3rd cycle - test E/VAR

4th CYCLE SUGGESTION
1-12 Test P - 50mgs (EOD)
1-12 Tren A - 75mgs (EOD)
1-12 Mast P - 125mgs (EOD)
5-12 VAR - 75mg (ED) **MAYBE**
3- 12 HCG - 250ui X 2 per week

AI .5 eod
Clomd 100/100/50/50
Nolva 80/40/40/20

For starters... if your diet and training is sufficient u will end up around 160lbs, is that fine with u?

If not, I'd recommend putting on 15-20 more pounds before even considering a cut cycle

 

[snowpatrol123]

For starters... if your diet and training is sufficient u will end up around 160lbs, is that fine with u?

Yeah...I missed that / didn't do math.

There's a wrinkly/tanned, but crazy-vascular/lean old guy (45+) that works out at my gym wearing full Gold's swag (this is a crappy, city gym I'm at lol) - weighs all of 150-155 at 5'8 or so. YELLS and screams while he's doing 15-25lb DB raises / curls. I don't think he's aware his lower body exists. Definitely on var or some kind of shredders, possibly without a test base because he looks like death warmed over.

YOU DO NOT WANT TO LOOK LIKE THIS GUY

 

[smittiot]

Yeah...I missed that / didn't do math.

There's a wrinkly/tanned, but crazy-vascular/lean old guy (45+) that works out at my gym wearing full Gold's swag (this is a crappy, city gym I'm at lol) - weighs all of 150-155 at 5'8 or so. YELLS and screams while he's doing 15-25lb DB raises / curls. I don't think he's aware his lower body exists. Definitely on var or some kind of shredders, possibly without a test base because he looks like death warmed over.

YOU DO NOT WANT TO LOOK LIKE THIS GUY

Cheers to that from the senior crowd...

 

[snowpatrol123]

Cheers to that from the senior crowd...

There's tonnes of old (older?) guys that look great & healthy at the gym - some may be on TRT, I'm guessing more than a few are natural. People I'd like to look like in 10-20 years. No offense intended - sorry.

I won't try to post a picture of the guy I described, but trust me - he's an example of how not to tan, diet, work out and juice.

 

[Norsegod]

He's got a point. You don't want to be that small unless you're a model. Bulk up and then cut down. Good catch..

 

[lazor99]

Wow, you guys are good! I agree that 10% BF would put me around the 155-158lb range and that is the last thing I want to be at this point. (never real realized that until you guys brought it up) In the end I just wanted to be leaner for summer but diet and cardio will do that easy. So......suggestions would be to bulk to 190lb and then cut to 175ish, can be achieved over the next 6 months or realistically is this a 12 month process? what would that program look like?