Test Prop and swelling .. Please help ..vets thanks

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simply_michael

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no flaming please . got in horrible car wreck and out of injuries was going to weight and get back in shape hence used some

Test Prop - now these are the pics . pec swollen and tad red .. i pinned 2ml in virgin left pec ...(2 years back before accident i used test e no issues and was in excellent shape . I hence became fat ass and then dieted down to smaller size and using this as i am almost 40 for extra t to push in gym ) i believe i pinned thurs /fri. it was fine for two days and then bam swelled up and couldn't move it . well i been taking ibprophen and allergy meds to ease pain and swelling . is this really normal and when should i start to worry ? when should swellling go down . thanks for help ..used to be sore and warm but today its not just swollen and yes i got flu like and fever and then huge soreness but went away . thanks vets for ur help .
 
i did my research about prop being very taxing on body and hurt like a mother but just wondering is this the real story of it cause i have not seen many pics about it and people who have came back and finished the story . ie how long the beast hurt ..when swelling down ..etc thanks for all you help . yes i know i aint the all knower of truth

other info .. yes i cleaned the vial and yes i drew it out with clean . i used a 3cc with a 23 needle to put in .

fever lasted probably two (maybe 1 just felt sick for two days ) days i felt like shit . i had chills and fever last night and huge aches but i took the ibprohen tabs and was fine today . i just rubbed icy hot on it and also a cream for posion ivy lol

calamine 12 percent
benzyl alchol 10.5
diphenhydramine hydrochloride 2.0 percent lol

all i had one me .. will get bennie tomorrow . so how long should li wait before i goto doc or might be something serious . i mean yesteray i couldn't touch it today slight pain nothing to write home about .

scared to pin again actually ...

also the previous day i pinned the prop i pinned test e in the left pec no issues or swelling just fyi
 
pics this morning and no not tripping about it but figures there are others out there that are concerned when something swells up twice the size lol and just trying to be picture informant about it so others might learn
 
From your pics it looks a little swollen. I serious I wouldn't freak out. Does not look like an infection yet.
 
Injecting 2mL of Test Prop into your virgin pec with a 23g needle... OUCH! You've seriously got some brass cojones injecting like that. I wouldn't worry unless you develop a fever or see visible signs of infection like puss, painful lumps, et cetera. If it doesn't get better in a week, I'd personally go see a doc and see what he has to say about your "B-12" injection gone awry. ;)

Do yourself a favor though - inject into a larger muscle group man, the guys that are able to inject into pecs/biceps/lats tend to be huge and have the muscular volume to hold all that oil. It's still going to hurt, but I'd rather have a charlie horse in the quad/ass than a shotgun blast to the pec.

My .02c :)
 
what needle should i use always used that size lol and where is a good place to get them .


halfwit said:
Injecting 2mL of Test Prop into your virgin pec with a 23g needle... OUCH! You've seriously got some brass cojones injecting like that. I wouldn't worry unless you develop a fever or see visible signs of infection like puss, painful lumps, et cetera. If it doesn't get better in a week, I'd personally go see a doc and see what he has to say about your "B-12" injection gone awry. ;)

Do yourself a favor though - inject into a larger muscle group man, the guys that are able to inject into pecs/biceps/lats tend to be huge and have the muscular volume to hold all that oil. It's still going to hurt, but I'd rather have a charlie horse in the quad/ass than a shotgun blast to the pec.

My .02c :)
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so wait another week /? i am on day 5 now . so i just wanna make sure so it doesn't get worse . right now it feels like a implant and swollen still. i am ibprohen it and bennie but i don't see swelling reduce althought it was rock solid now implant mushy . I did have chills and fever but that went away in a day now just feel like normal with a swollen tit . so i am at stand still . train or not train and also should i goto doc . and how long does it take for it to go down and back to normal . i can send pics if want
 
What causes (non infection related) injection pain?

first the shorter the ester, the higher the melting point
second, the concentration of the gear.
third, the solvents used.
fourth, injecting too quickly
fifth, virgin muscle.

Pain is caused when the oil/solvents are absorbed by the body and crystals are left behind.
Short esters (propionate or acetate) are harder, more painful crystals with melting points in the 100c range.
A hormone with a longer esters (excluding cypionate - cyp is long but also high melting point) can have a melting point in the 20c-40c range. not far off from human body temp.

Pain is also caused by concentration of your gear.
Building off of point 1: Let's say it takes the body 24 hours to absorb 1mL of a certain oil/solvent blend, and 24 hours to absorb 50mg of Testosterone Propionate. If 50mg (or less) of testosterone propionate is in 1mL of that oil, this injection should be painless. On the other hand, if 100mg of testosterone propionate is in that same 1mL of solution, then after 24 hours the body will have absorbed 50mg and 1mL, leaving 50mg behind in the injection area, crystalized and painful.
Its better to shoot 3mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate than 1mL of 150mg/mL Testosterone Propionate.
This is also why water based suspensions (Testosterone base/no ester, Winstrol ) hurt the most, water is very easily absorbed in the body

The solvents used can cause pain in 2 ways. Benzyl alcohol (BA) is used at 1%-2% as a preservative and antiseptic. If the alcohol content is too high the gear will burn. Pain in the first 24 hours is usually caused by heavy solvents, pain in the next few hours is usually cause by crystalization. Another way is a bad recipe. if someone used 2% BA, and the rest of the solution oil, the mg/mL would have to be low due to oil's weak ability to hold crystals. On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful.

If you inject too quickly it can tear tissue.

If your muscle is new to the hormone, it will absorb the hormone very slowly, but absorb the oil/solvent very quickly. This will cause more crystalization and pain. As your muscles recognize the hormones, they will be absorbed more quickly, thus less pain. The deeper you inject into the center of a muscle group, the better.

How do I deal with pain once I have it?

The worst thing you can do is ice it. Cold will help the crystals fall out of solution/suspension.
Its okay to take some ibuprofin to decrease the swelling, and help with pain.
Also being in a hot tub, or jacuzzi, or warm bubble bath will help melt the crystals down. Using a heating pad can help also.
 
My man you should do this. Man the hell up! :-) Seriously you need to start using a 23 and do it in the glutes and in the side (medial) delt. If you gear is thin you can use a 25g needle it just takes a longer time. You can order them from the board spons. Check Cheappinz used to be one that you can get em from. Don't do 2ml's of prop when you are a pup. You should spread out the pins and do it daily versus everyother and hammer in more gear.

Also if you are on gear you should train. Train when you are sick man! You only have a certain amout of days to train so don't waste em. Lifting will make it hurt less BTW by increasing blood flow to the PIP.
 
simply_michael said:
what needle should i use always used that size lol and where is a good place to get them .
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I wouldn't inject with anything bigger than a 23g into glutes/quads, but when talking about the smaller muscle injection points, insulin (29-31g, 5/8") are probably what I would go with. Otherwise you're asking for scar tissue and other problems. You can buy needles from board sponsors if you want go to online, or your local pharmacy (depending on state laws) will sell them to you.

simply_michael said:
so wait another week /? i am on day 5 now . so i just wanna make sure so it doesn't get worse . right now it feels like a implant and swollen still. i am ibprohen it and bennie but i don't see swelling reduce althought it was rock solid now implant mushy . I did have chills and fever but that went away in a day now just feel like normal with a swollen tit . so i am at stand still . train or not train and also should i goto doc . and how long does it take for it to go down and back to normal . i can send pics if want
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If you're worried, go see the doc. I think you put too much oil into a small muscle group with a short ester and a big needle at a bad angle. I'd give it a few more days personally, but I'm stubborn. :D
 
just wanted to post conclusion .. after almost two weeks the swelling went down . thanks to everyone who helped me thru this and now i know what to expect .

what i did

asprin, heating pad , icy hot and time ..
 
simply_michael said:
just wanted to post conclusion .. after almost two weeks the swelling went down . thanks to everyone who helped me thru this and now i know what to expect .

what i did

asprin, heating pad , icy hot and time ..
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Glad to hear it! Did you continue to pin in your pec, or choose a different site?
 
quads and glutes. WHY would you pin your pec? especially when (no offense) they aren't very big.
 
Atomsk said:
quads and glutes. WHY would you pin your pec? especially when (no offense) they aren't very big.
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none taken and thats always where my friends pinned so i did . and heck i know my pecs aint big . hell i aint big . but i will do whatever it takes train hard and get big . everyone starts somewhere
 
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