Test/Tren Cycle w/ Fast and Slow Esters

[BigNotch44]

I'm putting together a cycle for a buddy of mine... really I am since I'm still having HPTA recovery problems from my last one in July. Anyway, a little background on him.

Age: 42
Height: 6'1''
Weight: 219lbs
BF: 15%
Cycles: 4
Compounds used: Cyp, Sust, Tren, Dbol, Winstrol (winny), Deca

I'm thinking he's ready for a somewhat advanced cycle. here's the routine:

1) Test Prop, weeks 1-3 and weeks 11-14, 140mg E2D
2) Tren Ace, weeks 1-3, 50mg E2D
3) Test Cyp, weeks 1-10, 250mg 2/week
4) Tren E, weeks 1-10, 200mg 2/week
5) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), weeks 1-14, 250IU 2/week

PCT:
2500 IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Blast (done on 2nd to last Test Prop shot)
Week 14-15, 100mg Clomid, 40mg Nolva (starts 4 days after HCG)
Weeks 16-17, 50mg Clomid, 20mg Nolva

I'll also tell him to have extra Nolva and Liquidex on hand to fight any excess E2 during.

Anything missing or any other recommendations?

 

[DMCat]

What is the goal for this cycle? Where does he want to be when it is over?
The cycle looks pretty bread and butter for someone ready for the tren experience.
Do you think that the short esters are necessary? What's the goal with the front load?
I have done both short and long ester Test/Tren. I am about to start my next cycle with Test E/Tren E. They kick in pretty quick, so I see no need to frontload. And adding that much Tren on the front might make him feel a little crazy.
Since you are doing the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle, why continue to do it during the post cycle therapy (pct)? The Clomid should provide enough LH coverage until your HPTA kicks back in.
Why are you not using an anti-e/serm during the cycle?
You may also consider fomr progesterone protection.

 

[Necrosis]

Yeah.... That's quite a bit of strong compounds there don't you think? Doable for a fifth cycle but I wouldn't... For one where's your AI? I'll let some of the Tren advocates chime in on this one..

 

[Bullseye Forever]

way to complicated cycle IMO

 

[ErectusMaximus]

Sup Bignotch.

I know you got some negative feedback and I understand why. I have to say I disagree with it. I think this is a nice cycle. I like how your using short esters to kickstart the cycle and how your ending it with prop and NOT with tren ace also. The length on tren is right as is the test. The pct is good too. Only problem I see is no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in place and since tren is involved I think caber is needed here too.

If caber and arimidex are added I think this is a well thought out cycle. Yes this is a little complicated but I think you shown that your understand esters and as long as the plan is followed I think this will give good gains.

Some are gonna like this cycle and some will not. We all have opinions about it and that is the great part about ology. You can get this info and weigh it to make a good choice.

 

[ErectusMaximus]

Oh one more thing, if the user has never tried tren ( appears he has not) might want to stick with ace and prop throughout the cycle. If any bad sides develope he can pull out or just finish with test only.

 

[BigNotch44]

Thanks guys for the input. About the AI's, I'm having him do blood work two weeks in and 4 weeks in to see how the E2 is going. If it get's too high then I'm suggesting liquidex. Is this a good approach or should he go ahead and run it from the start? What about the rebound effect (of E2) others have reported when running AI's the whole cycle?

I didn't know much about caber until ErectusMaximus mentioned. Awesome feedback and I'll definitely recommend he has it on hand. What dosages are recommended on caber?

As for ancillary use, do you guys suggest waiting till symptoms start to arise or go with a preventative approach?

As a note, he has used Tren before and the sides he observed was the cough and poor libido (which I think is the lack of test use).

 

[GPRO]

Adex and letro give estro rebound, aromasin doesnt so you can look into that.
Using ancillaries as precaution pretty much depends on the user, gyno prone? Then yes. No history of gyno (or other estro related sides for that matter) then i'd leave it. Hinders gains to some extend.

 

[BigNotch44]

He doesn't have much estro related sides (unlike me, that bastard!). No gyno, or much water retention, just some acne.

After some quick research, aromasin seems to have pretty good properties with reduction in E2 and an increase in total T. So, would this be the preferred Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to have on hand in most people's opinion?