Testosterone helping anxiety becoming more common

[buildingpaul]

Since I started TRT I have noticed a few people like myself are benefiting from the results of reduced anxiety and more confidence.

I am still on Klonopin and Valium but plan to reduce these very slowly.

Question is....... How many others are on TRT and have noticed any difference as in lowered anxiety and increased confidence?

 

[Alpin]

It helps alot. Keep an eye on Estradiol that can cause anxiety if it gets out of whack.
I use to feel zero anxiety when just on T and mild dose paxil.
Only on paxil was ok. But the TRT makes you more out spoken, aggressive. ..
Anxious ppl are timid, nervous. TRT does the opposite.

 

[buildingpaul]

I never thought of it like that Apollon but so true as in anxious people are timid and nervous, as that describes me. Always agreed with everyone even if I don't agree with what they are saying. Found Test has helped me speak my mind. Also I used to be very irritable but Test seems to have stopped that, I seem to be more chilled these days. I self prescribe being in the UK and normally use 100mg of Cyp every 3.5 days....But my supplier ran out so had to use Prop, that made me feel a bit shaky, don't know if it is because of the fast acting ester or maybe the lab but did not like it. The funs of being in the UK and having to self prescribe due to the NHS as my bloods were 212 and no Dr wanted to help saying I was within the 'Safe NHS Guidelines'

 

[Megatron28]

There are a lot of anecdotal accounts of guys who shed their anxiety issues / medications once they get dialed in on TRT. Key is getting dialed in though.

At the same time, there are some guys who experience anxiety and panic attacks for the first time after starting TRT. It seems evident that hormone levels definitely play a role in ones flight or fight responses as it relates to anxiety and panic attacks.

 

[Alpin]

I never thought of it like that Apollon but so true as in anxious people are timid and nervous, as that describes me. Always agreed with everyone even if I don't agree with what they are saying. Found Test has helped me speak my mind. Also I used to be very irritable but Test seems to have stopped that, I seem to be more chilled these days. I self prescribe being in the UK and normally use 100mg of Cyp every 3.5 days....But my supplier ran out so had to use Prop, that made me feel a bit shaky, don't know if it is because of the fast acting ester or maybe the lab but did not like it. The funs of being in the UK and having to self prescribe due to the NHS as my bloods were 212 and no Dr wanted to help saying I was within the 'Safe NHS Guidelines'

212 ng/dl is considered pretty low...even in Canada.
They should be treating that.
A couple major blood labs have bottom ranges of 219, 242.
Hypogonadism is really anything at or below 300 ng/dl as morning levels according to AACE.
We have one lab that has a low range of 180 ng/dl as being normal. Thats absolutely no way to live.
Thats the problem with socialized health care.
I bet you cant even find private labs where you are to do the tests you want and have to go through the system.
Same here.

 

[buildingpaul]

Interesting replies. In the UK the lowest is 182, to me that is just terrible as from what I have read in the States they class 320-350 as low. Megatron28...... I have found Prop makes me anxious and Enth or Cyp seems to help anxiety, wonder why that could be?

 

[Megatron28]

Interesting replies. In the UK the lowest is 182, to me that is just terrible as from what I have read in the States they class 320-350 as low. Megatron28...... I have found Prop makes me anxious and Enth or Cyp seems to help anxiety, wonder why that could be?

How often are you pinning the prop? Lay out the two protocols including AI usage so we can compare.

 

[Alpin]

Yes....
I am always interested in a protocol that involves prop.
I love that stuff. Ran 100 mg/day years ago.
I was a lot leaner...never noticed estradiol issues or even knew what they were back then. Lol

 

[Alpin]

Interesting replies. In the UK the lowest is 182, to me that is just terrible as from what I have read in the States they class 320-350 as low. Megatron28...... I have found Prop makes me anxious and Enth or Cyp seems to help anxiety, wonder why that could be?

320-350 I don't feel too too bad....
180 is death. Forget about it.

 

[buildingpaul]

I am running 40mg eod and not using an AI as not felt any unwanted E2 effects. I do have Arimidex to hand though just in case. I was using Cyp at 100mg every 3.5 days and sub-q the shots with a 27g pin. I think a lot of my problems have come from the mid to late 90's where I knew nothing at all about steroids and would take 50mg of Dbol for 12-14 weeks, have a 4 week break with no PCT and then back on the Dbol, just ran this by itself, never used any Test, so thinking back I reckon I have messed my levels up.

100mg per day of Prop, you must have been getting some serious pip bud, lol! 40mg gives me pip. I sub-q 40mg this morning. Around my stomach area for a good few hours ached.

 

[Megatron28]

I am running 40mg eod and not using an AI as not felt any unwanted E2 effects. I do have Arimidex to hand though just in case. I was using Cyp at 100mg every 3.5 days and sub-q the shots with a 27g pin. I think a lot of my problems have come from the mid to late 90's where I knew nothing at all about steroids and would take 50mg of Dbol for 12-14 weeks, have a 4 week break with no PCT and then back on the Dbol, just ran this by itself, never used any Test, so thinking back I reckon I have messed my levels up.

100mg per day of Prop, you must have been getting some serious pip bud, lol! 40mg gives me pip. I sub-q 40mg this morning. Around my stomach area for a good few hours ached.

Maybe it is the lower dose of prop per week.

40mg EOD is 140mg per week. 100mg twice a week is 200mg/week.

 

[Alpin]

I love Prop. Wish they had it around here.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

IIRC some guys were saying (on other forum boards), that they prefered the effect that Test Prop had over Enanthate/Cypionate some for TRT purposes others for general cycling.

Many people think that Ester = how fast the hormone get's into the blood, but in reality all esters peak I think 12-24hrs post injection, and then slowly drop off depending on the ester itself. The ester chain isn't a time realease, rather how fat soluble the esterfied hormone is. More fat soluble = slower it is realeased into the blood. I know it sounds contradictory and yes in essence is a time release lol.

It is a fact that you will get more stable blood levels pinning more frequently, regardless of ester and I think the reason why people claim to feel better on prop is due to the closer frequency of pinning. Pinning EOD long esters will keep them even more stable.

Anyway, apart from the giberish above, yes testosterone plays a role in anxiety and IIRC androgens modulate the GABA receptor in someway and may be why testosterone directly causes an anxyiolytic effect (anti-anxiety).

 

[buildingpaul]

Really interesting replies guys, thank you. Makes me think that the average Male who goes to the Dr about feeling anxious/nervous/depressed and all the Dr will do is prescribe an anti-d or a benzo. I have been on in the last 10 years almost every benzo apart from Xanax as we don't have it here in the UK. I am still on Klonopin and Valium, both which are highly addictive and also on Celexa an SSRI. I had to mention it to the Dr about getting my Test levels checked, he was not interested and said high or low Testosterone levels would not make my anxiety better and told me to up the dose of my Valium. I started doing research a few years ago and found out that long term Benzo use actually makes anxiety worse. Any Benzo is fine for the first 6-8 weeks then the patient should be reduced......10 years later and still on Klonopin and Valium, no wonder my anxiety is not good! Then after more research I found patients who were using Testosterone had said how they felt more alive, confident and less anxious.....So here I am today at nearly 40 years of age having to use UGL Testosterone to help! Some UGL's are terrible and are either pure fake or very under dosed, luckily I have found a very good one now. Getting used to the Prop but the sting it gives afterwards is not the best but hey it seems to be working