Hi everyone. I am new to this board, but I thought I would give you my two cents on the best thermogenic agent (with epehdra). I have used it for a couple of years now and it is used by a lot of the pro's. It is called "Jacked!" by DNA. Chad Nicholls, one of the best pro bodybuilding guru's/consultants makes it. His wife is Kim Chizevsky, pro female bodybuilding champion. They both live here in Springfield, Missouri. Chad helps Ronnie Coleman with a lot of his comps. Anyway, I have seen great results by taking Jacked! If you cannot find it, email me and I will help you get in contact with Chad.