The new androhard vs primo?

[Good Grip]

I feel like that sentiment stems from the fact that no one runs 16 week oral cycles. A reason for that is methylation and other side effects such as loss of libido. With the androseries, side effects like on a low test or methylated cycle or not a problem.

I think about it this way... would I rather run 4 weeks of test or 4 weeks of superdrol? Superdrol for me... but would I rather run 16 weeks of test or superdrol? Well, we all know the answer to that... unless we truly hate our liver

If the ban doesnt do it first, the Androseries will make methylated ph's obsolete.

 

[djm6464]

I will be doing a 12 week cycle of AndroMass with hCG dosed 250iu E4D from week 3-10. I will have pre and post blood work done (as I recommend to anyone looking to cycle).

i think what you are planning is overkill....yeah i know you want to show the relative safeness of the new line, but 12wks for any oral steroid is useless imo

pp compares andromass to test e......well, test e is commonly run at 12wks, that includes the first 4wks you wait for it to reach max levels, something your oral line should do in a week tops

anyone who has done gear, there is a point where the body stop growing or adding, its just unatural to grow like a weed wk 1-12, for me i found mytest cycle plateaued at wk 9, maybe 10, and then i rode it out until pct

that would mean your 12wk plan, you'll more than likely see very little the last 4wks, maybe 5, seeing i fullly expect to see gains plateau around the 7wk mark

if i were you,and you had 3 bottles, up the dose and run it 8wks, 9max......jmo

 

[ryansm]

The way that the government is regulating supplements, it seems more than feasible to think that the current methylated steroids sold on the market will be gone for good and these Andro Series products could be the ONLY effective legal option....but maybe too effective and when something works that damn good.....the pharmaceutical companies cannot stand it!

Very true

 

[ryansm]

i think what you are planning is overkill....yeah i know you want to show the relative safeness of the new line, but 12wks for any oral steroid is useless imo

pp compares andromass to test e......well, test e is commonly run at 12wks, that includes the first 4wks you wait for it to reach max levels, something your oral line should do in a week tops

anyone who has done gear, there is a point where the body stop growing or adding, its just unatural to grow like a weed wk 1-12, for me i found mytest cycle plateaued at wk 9, maybe 10, and then i rode it out until pct

that would mean your 12wk plan, you'll more than likely see very little the last 4wks, maybe 5, seeing i fullly expect to see gains plateau around the 7wk mark

if i were you,and you had 3 bottles, up the dose and run it 8wks, 9max......jmo

I'm thinking you are right on here after thinking over it myself. 8 weeks at full dose seems to be the ideal length.

 

[hatefulONE]

If comparing the andromass to test e then yeah 8 weeks seems optimal, but with this being a new compound we have to wait and see how people will react. Who knows when people will start seeing gains, stop seeing gains, start getting side effects, begin to notice shut down. For now we will have to see what the lab rats say. I am happy to see that some of the pp reps are actually going to be using the products, I see a lot of companies pimping these hormones that their own reps don't even want to touch.

 

[HereToStudy]

If comparing the andromass to test e then yeah 8 weeks seems optimal, but with this being a new compound we have to wait and see how people will react. Who knows when people will start seeing gains, stop seeing gains, start getting side effects, begin to notice shut down. For now we will have to see what the lab rats say. I am happy to see that some of the pp reps are actually going to be using the products, I see a lot of companies pimping these hormones that their own reps don't even want to touch.

One has to remember we are looking at equivalence of anabolic action of Test here, but I full have thought the same advice. I would play it by ear, and If I find a plateua, I can always, assuming I give myself time off the hCG, quit the cycle early. This might give others a chance to see what would happen (honestly I don't think i have time to log it, but I will definitely be sharing my results). But I have some time to decide before they are out anyway, so it will play out in the back of my mind.

 

[RA64]

One has to remember we are looking at equivalence of anabolic action of Test here, but I full have thought the same advice. I would play it by ear, and If I find a plateua, I can always, assuming I give myself time off the hCG, quit the cycle early. This might give others a chance to see what would happen (honestly I don't think i have time to log it, but I will definitely be sharing my results). But I have some time to decide before they are out anyway, so it will play out in the back of my mind.

IMO the only way to determine how well the androhard works in boosting Test in a person’s body is to run it alone without HCG.
HCG will boost Test levels on it's on so it would be hard to tell if the benefits a person gets are from the androhard or the HCG. You may not even get shut down an androhard cycle, I don’t think most guys will get a hard shutdown from it.

 

[ryansm]

True, however at some point the gains will stall, I think eight weeks is going to yield plenty in gains as well.

 

[RA64]

True, however at some point the gains will stall, I think eight weeks is going to yield plenty in gains as well.

I agree the gains will stall at some point.

 

[hatefulONE]

I wonder if you could run a blast and cruise style cycle with androhard since it seems it should kick in quickly and be less suppressive then some other compounds like the andromass.

 

[djm6464]

I wonder if you could run a blast and cruise style cycle with androhard since it seems it should kick in quickly and be less suppressive then some other compounds like the andromass.

where you getting this from??? i wouldnt try that man, itll be just as suppressive as the other one at a certain point

shutdown is shutdown imo....there obviously is tren shutdown, and say Anavar (var) shutdown, the the hpta is suppressed none the less

unless you are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), or want to get on it(then id run tren for 6months to get there), i wouldnt try it

i read people asking bout 4wk cycles, and you want to blast cruise the stuff lol....this androseries is blowing up, and the stuff hasnt even shipped.....fkn nuts

 

[hatefulONE]

where you getting this from??? i wouldnt try that man, itll be just as suppressive as the other one at a certain point

shutdown is shutdown imo....there obviously is tren shutdown, and say Anavar (var) shutdown, the the hpta is suppressed none the less

unless you are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), or want to get on it(then id run tren for 6months to get there), i wouldnt try it

i read people asking bout 4wk cycles, and you want to blast cruise the stuff lol....this androseries is blowing up, and the stuff hasnt even shipped.....fkn nuts

I forgot to mention using test p continuously as a base, and I read a few places Eric saying that androhard will be very easy on the hpta. Personally I wouldn't blast and cruise it until I see some blood work from a log, but just throwing it out there for discussion, hoping someone tries it out on their own so I can see what happens.

Wait a minute tren solo for 6 months is bad? I thought my pecs were just really full still from the cycle...

 

[ryansm]

where you getting this from??? i wouldnt try that man, itll be just as suppressive as the other one at a certain point

shutdown is shutdown imo....there obviously is tren shutdown, and say Anavar (var) shutdown, the the hpta is suppressed none the less

unless you are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), or want to get on it(then id run tren for 6months to get there), i wouldnt try it

i read people asking bout 4wk cycles, and you want to blast cruise the stuff lol....this androseries is blowing up, and the stuff hasnt even shipped.....fkn nuts

Agreed on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) it's possible obviously.

 

[HereToStudy]

IMO the only way to determine how well the androhard works in boosting Test in a person’s body is to run it alone without HCG.
HCG will boost Test levels on it's on so it would be hard to tell if the benefits a person gets are from the androhard or the HCG. You may not even get shut down an androhard cycle, I don’t think most guys will get a hard shutdown from it.

Running AndroMass for as long as I am considering, I won't consider doing it without hCG.

 

[djm6464]

Running AndroMass for as long as I am considering, I won't consider doing it without hCG.

back then, and even alot of people now, get by with out Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle

look into triptorelin, thats an option as well

 

[ryansm]

look into triptorelin, thats an option as well

I have heard good things, Eric will be coming out with an article about this I hear.

 

[djm6464]

I have heard good things, Eric will be coming out with an article about this I hear.

it seems to be a replacement to hcg

i know i seen him post on the primordial site he'll update that pct article he came out with

good read btw

 

[BigBlackguy]

it seems to be a replacement to hcg

i know i seen him post on the primordial site he'll update that pct article he came out with

good read btw

Definitely not a replacement for HCG. It's too expensive to be used on cycle. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout your cycle will keep the testes sensitized and triptorelin will stimulate the pituitary to make LH and FSH. If the testes don't respond to the LH, when not using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle, it's a toss up if it'll work. Toco-8, aka tocotrienels (Vitamin E), can help sensitize the testes as well. But Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is always adviced.

 

[djm6464]

Definitely not a replacement for HCG. It's too expensive to be used on cycle. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout your cycle will keep the testes sensitized and triptorelin will stimulate the pituitary to make LH and FSH. If the testes don't respond to the LH, when not using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle, it's a toss up if it'll work. Toco-8, aka tocotrienels (Vitamin E), can help sensitize the testes as well. But Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is always adviced.

iv seen this, but through what actions is this happening, iv only ever seen guys post they use it to protect their hair follicles on androgenic cycles

 

[ryansm]

iv seen this, but through what actions is this happening, iv only ever seen guys post they use it to protect their hair follicles on androgenic cycles

"The tocotrienols in Toco-8 are super powerful anti-oxidants which have been proven to have powerful health benefits for the endocrine & cardiovascular system. (2-8) Tocotrienols play an important role in increasing the "hormone production" signal from the brain to the testes, while also increasing the testes testosterone production capacity."

^^You can read about the science behind Toco-8 here just click on the science tab.

And Eric mentions it in his hCG article here