Third cycle after finishing cutting - test P, NPP?

[bugsbugs]

Hello my anabolic friends, Hope I can find some help here. (Sorry for my english)

So, I am planning to start my third cycle. Previously used;
First cycle:
1-10 test P 100mg e2d
4-10 winny pyramid up to 40mg daily

And second:
1-18 test E 250mg e3d
2-12 npp 150mg e3d
tbol at second half od cycle (3 packs)

Second cycle was just insane, I would even tell that gainz were too good.. On second cycle I got little problem with gyno (some people say that there weren't anything) - so I ate tamox at 60, 40, 40, 40, 20, 20 to prevent it. I have to say that It went much better, but in my opinion still something is wrong about it. Shall I try to use letrazol or something to finally fight it? Or is it too late? I finished my second cycle in march 2016 so I have a nice break from roids.

MY PLAN IS:
For now I am 90kg/12% BF and I am finishing cutting, want to cut for maximally 1 month more (till the end of february) and then all I want is to gain pure muscle mass, with smallest water retention etc. Just to have best physique at June (vacation). Since I will be ripped soon it shouldn't be hard right?

What do you think about:

1-14 test P 150mg e2d
2-12 npp 100mg e2d
+
HCG (500ui e7d), Cabaser (0.25mg x2/week), Arimidex (0.25mg e2d)

and thats all, as I mentioned had some problems with gyno and also I dont want deca dick and low libido.. Was thinking about masteron instead of npp but I am scared about hairs.

Does it has any sense? I dont want to run tren .

Greetings.

 

[Milton]

how old are you? where did you get your first 2 cycle ideas from??? hows your blood works?

 

[bugsbugs]

Hello, I am 22 currently. Those cycles were recommended by people on steroid forum in my own country. But thats why I am writing here now..

 

[Milton]

Hello, I am 22 currently. Those cycles were recommended by people on steroid forum in my own country. But thats why I am writing here now..

and im glad you came here to people who know what they are talking about. you have to get your blood tested.

 

[bugsbugs]

I did blood test before, during and after every cycle. Had some problems with estradiol and prolactine only, but used cabaser and symex to back it to normal. E2 like 3-4 times more than normal, prolactine 2 times.
Liver had slightly exceeded the values, but I run TAD 600 (glutation) intravenously for 10 times (whole pack) and it made my liver perfect.

Sorry for my english.

 

[bugsbugs]

I will test my blood soon - before this third cycle. But after last test everything was fine

 

[Roush]

and then all I want is to gain pure muscle mass, with smallest water retention etc. Just to have best physique at June (vacation)

for your goal , then i think its time for this.

test p - 25mg per day
tren A- 50mg per day
Mast p- 150mg eod
10 weeks

lean dry gains . run a small amount of caber and very low dose ai, being it sounded like from your NPP cycle you are slightly prolactin sensitive, and prone to 19nor induced gyno

 

[bugsbugs]

I'm little scared about mast p, my friend lost much of hairs on cycle and I really wouldn't like it.. Worth to use Tren? Everywhere I find informations that it's powerfull thing - that also scare me a bit

 

[Milton]

Hello, I am 22 currently. Those cycles were recommended by people on steroid forum in my own country. But thats why I am writing here now..

I'm little scared about mast p, my friend lost much of hairs on cycle and I really wouldn't like it.. Worth to use Tren? Everywhere I find informations that it's powerfull thing - that also scare me a bit

Tren is war. Using tren at your age needs to be analyzed.

 

[Roush]

Tren is war. Using tren at your age needs to be analyzed.

i didn't notice his age in the first post . then saw 22 . ok buddy , i'd stack Creatine, BCAA's, and Whey protein . and you'll keep your hair too

 

[Roush]

I'm little scared about mast p, my friend lost much of hairs on cycle and I really wouldn't like it.. Worth to use Tren? Everywhere I find informations that it's powerfull thing - that also scare me a bit

you previously ran 525mg of nandrolone for 12 weeks , and your scared of Tren !? I tell you 12 weeks of high dose nandro gives me worse sides then 9 weeks of blasting tren ace.

also Masteron helps mitigate some of the negative side effects of tren , and is very synergistic with tren and test. as for your hairline, well if your prone to baldness then your going to go bald anyways . if your not prone to baldness then masteron won't effect your hair at all . thats all genetic determined, not compound determined

 

[bugsbugs]

i didn't notice his age in the first post . then saw 22 . ok buddy , i'd stack Creatine, BCAA's, and Whey protein . and you'll keep your hair too

Hehe, thats too late anyway mate. But don't worry, it gonna be my last cycle. HOPE SO.

you previously ran 525mg of nandrolone for 12 weeks , and your scared of Tren !? I tell you 12 weeks of high dose nandro gives me worse sides then 9 weeks of blasting tren ace.

also Masteron helps mitigate some of the negative side effects of tren , and is very synergistic with tren and test. as for your hairline, well if your prone to baldness then your going to go bald anyways . if your not prone to baldness then masteron won't effect your hair at all . thats all genetic determined, not compound determined

Mate, maybe that was just my fail that I trusted and listened to people who wrote me that cycles. I really try to do that everything as 'healthy' as I can..
It's hard for me to compare nandro to tren because I never used tren, but I feel normal on npp, didnt notice anything that could be bad.

Thanks for answer guys..

 

[Roush]

Hehe, thats too late anyway mate. But don't worry, it gonna be my last cycle. HOPE SO.



Mate, maybe that was just my fail that I trusted and listened to people who wrote me that cycles. I really try to do that everything as 'healthy' as I can..
It's hard for me to compare nandro to tren because I never used tren, but I feel normal on npp, didnt notice anything that could be bad.

Thanks for answer guys..

If you've ran NPP with no issues, and have blood work to confirm this , then I think you'll do just fine on Tren. both are 19nor and both have prolactin sides that can come up . you already know from running npp that your not prolactin sensitive

 

[tbonexl]

Very doubtful this will be your last cycle...

 

[soldier74]

you previously ran 525mg of nandrolone for 12 weeks , and your scared of Tren !? I tell you 12 weeks of high dose nandro gives me worse sides then 9 weeks of blasting tren ace.

also Masteron helps mitigate some of the negative side effects of tren , and is very synergistic with tren and test. as for your hairline, well if your prone to baldness then your going to go bald anyways . if your not prone to baldness then masteron won't effect your hair at all . thats all genetic determined, not compound determined

Couple times I've ran mast and no effect on my hairline. If anything my hair is thicker..lol.

 

[Milton]

Hehe, thats too late anyway mate. But don't worry, it gonna be my last cycle. HOPE SO.



Mate, maybe that was just my fail that I trusted and listened to people who wrote me that cycles. I really try to do that everything as 'healthy' as I can..
It's hard for me to compare nandro to tren because I never used tren, but I feel normal on npp, didnt notice anything that could be bad.

Thanks for answer guys..

show us a pic of how far youve gotten.

 

[Roush]

Couple times I've ran mast and no effect on my hairline. If anything my hair is thicker..lol.

yep , i've ran mast for months, up to 800mg and noticed no hair shedding at all. however, if I run a high amount of test (1000mg) and deca together I start shedding a bit. i think its more about 'spill over' from running too much gear, then it is the actual compound itself that causes these sides ,, at least for me. since I've went to lower doses i don't get near the negative sides and notice no hair loss

 

[soldier74]

yep , i've ran mast for months, up to 800mg and noticed no hair shedding at all. however, if I run a high amount of test (1000mg) and deca together I start shedding a bit. i think its more about 'spill over' from running too much gear, then it is the actual compound itself that causes these sides ,, at least for me. since I've went to lower doses i don't get near the negative sides and notice no hair loss

What difference do u notice from 800mg mast as opposed to say 500?? Anything? Do u say it helps reduce bf more or does it help more so synergistically with other compounds at that high dose?

 

[Roush]

What difference do u notice from 800mg mast as opposed to say 500?? Anything? Do u say it helps reduce bf more or does it help more so synergistically with other compounds at that high dose?

not really anything other then things kicking in quicker, cause when I'm running 800+mg of Mast its because I'm kickstarting a cycle off by front loading Mast E with Mast P . so Mast e at 500mg a week plus mast P at 100mg eod , puts me at 850mg per week. I'm not really purposely running it at 850mg , its just the front loading of the Mast P for the first 4 weeks puts me above the 800 range.

for using Mast as a synergy for a cycle then I only run 400mg of mast , like when i was just running test, tren, mast, dbol , the Mast i was running was only at 400mg , again just for the synergy and for it to bind to SHBG and thus free up more receptors for the anabolics.

if I'm running Mast as my primary anabolic, then I run it at at least 600mg per week (and again I usually front load it the first 4 weeks). Mast does nothing for me in regards to body fat, but due to its slight anti e properties and zero aromatization you can blast a high dose and have zero bloat and be fairly dry

 

[soldier74]

not really anything other then things kicking in quicker, cause when I'm running 800+mg of Mast its because I'm kickstarting a cycle off by front loading Mast E with Mast P . so Mast e at 500mg a week plus mast P at 100mg eod , puts me at 850mg per week. I'm not really purposely running it at 850mg , its just the front loading of the Mast P for the first 4 weeks puts me above the 800 range.

for using Mast as a synergy for a cycle then I only run 400mg of mast , like when i was just running test, tren, mast, dbol , the Mast i was running was only at 400mg , again just for the synergy and for it to bind to SHBG and thus free up more receptors for the anabolics.

if I'm running Mast as my primary anabolic, then I run it at at least 600mg per week (and again I usually front load it the first 4 weeks). Mast does nothing for me in regards to body fat, but due to its slight anti e properties and zero aromatization you can blast a high dose and have zero bloat and be fairly dry

Thanks for the insight. Good stuff there. Pretty much online with the way I feel about it. I usually run right around 600 for the synergistic effects but with what u said I may drop it down some. If it works well at 400mg then I'll be saving $